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The Best Part of Lost in Translation
Guest Editorial by Marc English

Was in Denver a couple weeks ago. The dog and pony show Wednesday nite at the best old hotel in town for the Colorado chapter of AIGA. Great audience, very vocal, most around 25 years old, though a larger than normal number of folks with more grey than me in their hair. A raffle that I didn’t know about having the “winners” have lunch with me the next day. But that worked out very well, as the people were cool, the food was excellent, and I didn’t have to do all the talking.

That day also spent most of it at the Art Center of Colorado, where faculty invited me to take over their classes and shoot from the hip. mostly Q&A, with a bit of time at the white board. More swearing from the guy at the white board than they’ve probably heard from all their faculty put together. it was great being in a room with a bunch of students that WANTED to learn. It’s invigorating.

And the afternoon sessions were packed, as I guess word got out about the mornings shennanigans. Again, plenty of good mojo from the students.

But the best part? Sitting around with three students, at Pita Jungle, a middle eastern hookah cafe, named by the Lebanese owner who figures that Americans like pita bread and know it’s middle eastern, and that Americans like jungles (!) so by combining those names, he’s got a hot spot. What great rationale! What a branding strategy! It’s an Allah-awful name, but the place was great.

Thought I was anywhere but in the U.S… Except for the American gals that were there, (and there were several coeds, not just in my party), like one of my mates, there were Libyans, Egyptians, Arabs, Lebanese, Greeks and more. The music rocked a variety of Arabic sounds, from Moroc to Iran. Apple tobacco in the pipe, mint tea and Turkish coffee.

And the part that made it the best part of the visit: The conversation. I often describe my part-time role as traveling talkmeister as a B-movie version of Lost in Translation. By that I mean, instead of Tokyo, I’m in Omaha or Des Moines. Not to take away anything from the stints in Miami or Seattle or Honolulu, but every locale ain’t a real “destination.” So you find yourself after the judging or self-aggrandizing yack-fest back at the lounge in Cincinnati. Or was it Charlotte?

And maybe you meet someone worth sharing a word or two. Or three. Because in truth much of the rest of those trips are monologues &emdash; as is this thing you are reading now. Hell, I always start my talks by saying the audience HAS to stay to the very end and beyond, as I’ve heard this shit before, and the only thing new to me is the Q&A.

I tell ’em otherwise it’s like bad sex: I give and give and give for two, three hours (yes, the talks are epic) and then I get nothing in return. But for the Q&A. Because then it’s as close to dialogue as I can get. And if you’re on the lecture circuit or teaching, it’s more often than not your own voice you hear. And as my good friend, writer Matt Porter of Communication Arts and STEP Inside Design once said of me, my accent could peel the paint from a boxcar. Of course he’s a writer and hyperbole is fun, but shit, people, how many times can I hear myself say “And here are the four secrets of success…”?

I wanna hear what OTHER people have to say and think and slice and dice ideas and badmouth David Carson along with everyone else. I wanna hear about why Yusef’s dad broke the guy’s nose for looking at his daughter the wrong way. I wanna hear about the fact that Tom has been married since he was 19, has two kids and at 24 is studying in school. I wanna feel the energy of people celebrating Eid, now that Ramadan is over. I wanna TALK about Ramadan. I wanna look across the table at someone that is engaging me on all cylinders and I may very well never see again, so I had best pay attention to the details. I wanna engage, dammit.

Too much of our time is in front of computers or books or films or clients or customers or any number of people that engage us in ways that keep us from really connecting. Which is why I chat up pretty much every waiter or waitress, bellman, grocery bagger, elevator rider or guy with interesting shoes on the airport tram. Like the guy I met yesterday from Sudan. Great shoes. Pumas. Or my seatmate yesterday, who was reading a book saying that Satan is real, as I snuck a glance onto his page. When we ended up talking (I just HAD to see if he was a nut-cake), I was pleasantly surprised to find an articulate Jamaican, born in Birmingham, England, who studied at Duke and works in Miami doing good things for the environment. Our chats about discrimination were enlightening.

Yeah, the best part is the engaging. It’s what keeps us connected to each other, to humanity. It’s about engaging in living and engaging in life. It keeps the mental blade sharp, allows for a chance to wield the rapier wit, or hack through hackneyed ideas. I got goosebumps on my arms when I was sitting there at Pita Jungle, and it wasn’t just the coffee. Hell, I don’t even LIKE coffee. But I drank it anyway.

STEP Inside Design magazine calls Marc English “the Johnny Cash of AIGA.” The 20th anniversary issue of HOW magazine listed him as one of “20 Designers We’d Like to Have a Beer With.” Marc English studied design at Massachusetts College of Art, after a stint at the Berklee College of Music, where he studied composing, harmony and arranging. English began his career in Boston working for a number of studios on projects in communication design for Fortune 500 clients, broadcast design for ABC-TV’s Boston affiliate, and creating museum exhibits for national and international clients, before opening his own studio in 1993. His studio has been featured in many design publicatios. English’s work can also be found in the collections of the Museum f�r Kunst und Gewerbe, Hamburg, Germany, the Merrill C. Berman Collection, New York, and the Universidad Aut�noma Metropolitano, México City.

English has served as a director of the American Institute of Graphic Arts (AIGA), and as President of both the Boston and Austin chapters of AIGA. He is also a member of the Massachusetts College of Art National Alumni Council and sits on the board of directors of the Austin Film Society. In addition, English has taught at the Massachusetts College of Art, the New England School of Art and Design, Texas State University and Austin Community College. He continues to travel and lecture frequently, and was recently the first U.S. designer to speak at both Guatemala and Tijuana’s premier design conferences.

As they say in Texas, it ain’t braggin’ if it’s true.

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Comments
schwa’s comment is:

marc and i have had beers -- and more -- and you'd better listen to him -- nobody more real and true around -- and speaking of truth -- he's really the richard dawson of the AIGA. just ask 'im.

On Nov.14.2005 at 09:55 PM
marian bantjes’s comment is:

marc, i don't suppose you'd like to marry me, would you?

On Nov.15.2005 at 01:47 AM
Armin’s comment is:

Being pretty much the complete opposite of Marc — I don't voluntarily chat up any stranger and I surely don't go out walking on coral reefs in the middle of the ocean (a legendary story by now, where a good chunk of Marc's leg goes missing) — I really admire people who can do this. Strike a conversation at any time with anyone? Not for me. I'm more of the please-don't-strike-a-conversation-I-just-want-to-ride-the-subway-in-peace-and-read-my-book variety. That's not to say that I don't enjoy the engaging — I do — I just have a different way of engaging, the quiet way, I guess. The way I engage is by "noticing" things. Little behaviors here and there, things left here and there, things out of place, facial expressions, trash on the street, any number of things. Perhaps it's not engaging-engaging but it keeps me awake and alert.

On a related note — mingling. Or, its more professional cousin, networking. Does anyone have a hard time with these?

On Nov.15.2005 at 08:01 AM
Daniel’s comment is:

I share Armin's admiration. I'm a talker; I'm interested—I might consider conversation a pastime. I enjoy it, but find it difficult to initiate. Insofar as networking is concerned, I have found it to be a less daunting task when surrounded by a community rooted in common culture. It's easier for me when there's a shared and collective interest.

On Nov.15.2005 at 09:18 AM
Domonic Patrick’s comment is:

I think it's easier to strike up a convo when you see something that you can relate to, or think is funny, then sometimes naturally, an opportunity will open up to say something. I think being observant helps with this. Sometimes I can't help but say something when I'm standing in line and I see a woman's children do something cute or when I overhear a conversation about something I can relate to.

I'm not trying to by nosey or anything, I just observe and responsd. We as humans need communication with other humans -- as I get older (26, now) I realize more and more that this is a normal thing. I think sometimes we may think that people don't care to know us, when they're thinking the exact same thing - so no conversation is sparked. Then again, maybe some people really don't care. You never know until you try.

On Nov.15.2005 at 10:46 AM
Domonic Patrick’s comment is:

Oh, yes, and mingling & networking - both hard for me. I guess because it's not really a natural thing most of the times. You go into a forced situation to meet people and make connections. Sometimes I really struggle with these types of things. It's easier for me to start a conversation when I can do when I want to, but when I'm in a networking situation, it's like sink or swim. What kinds of things have you learned from being in situations like these, Armin, anyone?

Personally, these types of situations are teaching me to be a better listener - which helps me respond appropriately. And also, I think talking to someone for too long takes away from your (and their) opportunity to move on and meet more people. It's tough to sometimes gracefully end a conversation, too.

On Nov.15.2005 at 10:55 AM
Rebecca C.’s comment is:

On a related note — mingling. Or, its more professional cousin, networking. Does anyone have a hard time with these?

Good gracious, YES! I have recently discovered, through experience, that it is not What you know, but Who. I am disturbed by this.

I suck at networking. I'm happier with my head down typing away at details on my Mac than actually conversing with someone I don't know.

However, for the sake of my career, I don't let fear/discomfort/barriers keep me from doing what is necessary. Even if that means looking up once in a while. It is healthy. Like spinach. If all else fails in an uncomfortable situation, fake it. Bluff. And don't ever call someone else's bluff.

On Nov.15.2005 at 11:23 AM
marc english’s comment is:

i second the emotion with armin and NOTICING. that's always the first line of recourse - we can't help it, at least if we're true to our calling. i remember standing on huntington ave in boston one night after a class i was teaching, trying to convince a student that i wasn't being a hard ass by always giving her Bs fro grades (she didn't understand that wasn't too bad). after class we stood out there and i asked her to identify every piece of visual communication she could see and further break it down - serif, sans, all caps, U&lc, flush left, ital, neon, etched glass, plastic signage, etc.

a fave thing i like to do with my daughter is have her observe bumper stickers and then describe the cars occupant - no doubt you've all done this. judging a book by its cover.

but i've found that's not so easy, certainly not like the guy and the 'satan' book. same mistake people make with me all the time. would rather judge the book by its contents.

we can infer our own stories about the occupants of cars, but i love hearing stories, whether overheard on bus or told directly. no longer 26 years old (by 20 years) i still feel as curious now as i did at 6, and other people's stories amaze me. the war and rape victim from serbia, the mayan shaman in guatemala, the fat mexican i met a few weeks ago on a bench just south of the border. and the less esoteric or exotic stories too. as designers we have to ask our clients a lot of questions to get to the heart of THEIR stories, to tell THEIR truth. i guess its practice that makes perfect, and i see i've still a lot of practive to do.

and the other thing is, at least when talking to strangers, they don't know you and you can act any way you choose - deferential, with authority, ignorant, genuine. maybe it stems from childhood and always asking "Why?"

On Nov.15.2005 at 12:27 PM
Tan’s comment is:

I'm not a social cowboy like Marc, but I can hold my own in a crowd of strangers. I've found that I have a 5-sentence knowledge on most subjects — be it sports, the deficit, cloning, or the French. Five sentences is usually more than enough to start a conversation in any crowd. But the trick is to move on in the conversation, because beyond 5 sentences, my knowledge base falls off the bullshit cliff on most things.

Instigating conversation and making it look natural is an art. Too aggressive, and you look like Tony Robbins. Too meek, and you'll be instantly ignored. I marvel at people who do it well.

Course, it also helps if you have an interesting tattoo or two.

On Nov.15.2005 at 12:39 PM
Domonic Patrick’s comment is:

I guess it helps sometimes - with networking - if you go in with a goal or two to accomplish? Like, make at least three new connections w/ freelancers, or meet a photographer, etc. I think that seems to help, because it will narrow down what exactly it is that your'e trying to accomplish?

I find that it's amazing when you take the time to say hello to a stranger, you never know what you'll learn or hear. And you never know who's life you could possibly impact, too. I think we need more random conversation in this world.

On Nov.15.2005 at 01:03 PM
vibranium’s comment is:

I'm with you Armin.

Oddly though, you could kidnap me, thow me in a sack...and 2 days later I could wake up on a stage in front of 500 people...and as long as i was talking about design I'm fine...BUT while exiting a theater I notice someone I know a few people in front of me...so I pull out my cel phone, step aside and stand still-pretending to talk, in order to let the distance between us grow. Just to avoid the "Oh, hey...how are you...." catch up conversation. shiiiiiver.

Which I actually recently did. While exiting a talk by IRA GLASS (This American Life - best show on NPR).

On one episode of his show, he mentions the social phenomanom of (I'm paraphrasing) "talking too much about a topic you know very little about...but you do such a good job you sound totally convincing"... It's a great segment. I think they call it MODERN JACKASS.

On Nov.15.2005 at 01:36 PM
Anonymous’s comment is:

I'm gradually getting over being shy as hell. As an undergrad, there was always a big push to network and make connections for the same "It's who you know" reasons above. But when thrown into these situations, I was always startled to realize that that as a student, I had jack to offer these professionals in a conversation. Smooth was not my thing.

Now, post-graduation and with a year of employment under my belt, it's getting easier.

On Nov.15.2005 at 01:53 PM
Rick’s comment is:

If all else fails in an uncomfortable situation, fake it. Bluff. And don't ever call someone else's bluff.

Nice point.

The truth is, I think most people are uncomfortable doing the networking thing. Some are just better at hiding it (or compartmentalizing) than others. And I suspect they're usually too focussed on their own performance to notice your nervousness.

Ugh - There's little I like less than the schmooze. I spent four days in Chicago without saying a word to anyone last summer.

In any event, networking shmetworking. Heads down; there's work to get done.

On Nov.15.2005 at 01:58 PM
Tan’s comment is:

On networking —�I think you've already failed if you're conscientiously trying. It's like trying to act cool actually makes you uncool. And fake.

Don't think. Just be yourself, even your nerd self. Nothing's more interesting than a conversation with someone real rather than someone with an agenda.

And don't forget — people are just people. Most designers (and clients), no matter how famous or important, all have normal lives. They watch trash TV, drink from the carton sometimes, and have trouble balancing career and family just like you do. My point is: don't be intimidated.

>so I pull out my cel phone, step aside and stand still-pretending to talk

On a related note —�I find it strange to run into industry/design people you know when you're in everyday surroundings like the grocery store or at the gas station. Moments when independent George meets designer George. Worlds colliding.

I once ran into a big-name client while leaving Costco. She was still dressed from work, carrying only a giant 64-pack of toilet paper. Awkward moment.

And just last night, I ran into a designer I knew while shopping at Target. I was checking out the arcade machine in electronics, totally absorbed in playing Defender, when she tapped me on the shoulders. I was totally caught off-guard, and fumbled a few moments before I remembered her name. Good thing I wasn't buying toilet paper, I guess.

On Nov.15.2005 at 02:02 PM
Zoelle’s comment is:

But when thrown into these situations, I was always startled to realize that as a student, I had jack to offer these professionals in a conversation.

I've found that if I am lacking knowledge in an area in which the conversation has turned, the best thing to do is listen and ask questions. If you're asked a direct question to which you feel like any idiot should know the answer to and you don't — just ask another question.

Sometimes actually listening when people are talking to you gives a better impression of you than trying to BS your way through a conversation.

On Nov.15.2005 at 05:30 PM
Derrick Schultz’s comment is:

Cinncinnatti

excellent. haven't seen that many letters in my city's name in a while.

Marc, if youd ever like to visit and learn to spell the city's name and talk design, let me know. I'm sure we can set something up at the University of Cincinnati.

Jokes aside, I have always been a semi-shy guy, but I always find that I can talk pretty easily professionally, but less so in social situations. I could talk for days about design with people, but eventually I have to work. I usually try and take Tans approach, have a few knowledgable sentences on the big topics and hope thats enough to cover me.

On Nov.15.2005 at 05:30 PM
Gunnar Swanson’s comment is:

it’s like bad sex: I give and give and give for two, three hours

Wow. What’s good sex like?

On Nov.15.2005 at 06:09 PM
marc english’s comment is:

UC: great idea. great school. love to visit again. as long as i can stay in kentucky. only kidding -that's what they did last time i was there. cinncinnattiii...i dunno. having had your version of chili, i think i can spell sincina'ddi anyway i'd like, with a dash of cinnamon. i type these things in the square comments box and don't spellcheck. and if you saw the damn denver poster, you would see a real faux pas. remember: don't proof things yourself.

gunnar: good sex? i forget. have been meanging to log in on your education slant, re: what makes a teacher, but been preoccupied.

marian: yes i'll marry you. how can i love your work, but not you? a female friend who shall remain nameless says "Marian Bantje is the female Marc English." which kind of scares me. and kind of thrills me. at least the sex will be good.

zoelle's got the right idea: keep the questions coming. 1) you'll seem interested (even if you're not - and in that case, why are you asking questions?), 2) you'll learn a few things, and best of all, 3) you will have to reveal nothign about yourself. sneaky, hunh?

On Nov.15.2005 at 07:21 PM
JT III’s comment is:

I feel as though my personality can be a bit over whelming to others at first. Between my slightly obscure (read: ultra nerdy) interests and thirst for sillyness, I feel uneasy about being myself around folks I'm meeting for the first time. I try to solve this problem by toning myself down a bit. I usually go over board and wind up being rather rigid. There's so many times in my networking experience where I find myself regreting having not acted a bit more ridiculous.

Plus, isn't networking a bit like dating? As others in this post have said, finding the right balance in a conversation is so crucial. If you're too aggressive you can scare your potential friend off. If you're not aggressive enough, they might lose interest. Does anyone else have trouble with this? Perhaps I am thinking way too hard. Won't be the first time! Hahaha..haha...ha...ahem.

At what point do you just ask your potential designer friend over for a beer / soda water / sports game viewing / movie / book burning / dinner / activity?

By and by, Zoelle's comment on asking questions is great! Students and young professionals take note!

On Nov.15.2005 at 07:34 PM
marian bantjes’s comment is:

Marc, yep; we give and give and give and give and give.

On Nov.15.2005 at 10:26 PM
Armin’s comment is:

> Cinncinnatti. excellent. haven't seen that many letters in my city's name in a while.

> sincina'ddi

As the closest thing to an editor on this forum, I take responsibility for the misspelling of such a wonderful city.

I do not, however, take responsibility for any and all online flirting. Yup, that deserves an emoticon ; )

On Nov.15.2005 at 10:35 PM
Xanderall’s comment is:

I must say that the yearn to connect is universal. Even though technology like the Net has enabled us to meet people from all over, nothin' beats the thrill of getting to know somebody face-to-face.

You gotta love the fact that your tired old jokes and tales suddenly become fresh and interesting. Meeting somebody for the first time is like writing a story: you can choose where you wanna go. Everything is new, everything is exciting.

Of course, you have to also develop the ability to read the other person quite fast. That way you will realize in time when you are starting to stick your foot in it.

I particularly enjoy the challenge of Step Number Two: trying to make the meeting something more than an ephemeral encounter. That's how it is with me and Marc. He came over to my country about five years ago and we've kept in contact ever since. Out of this exchange, I've gotten some REALLY good design advice. Marc, however, has only received in return mindless rants about life in Guatemala. Luckily, he seems to enjoy them.

On Nov.15.2005 at 11:23 PM
dom’s comment is:

Applying quick judgments to people is tricky, yet unavoidable. Sometimes a glance is all we have to work with.

Sounds kind of like Malcolm Gladwell'sblink. Haven't finished reading it yet, but it's interesting so far. I just love the phrase “thin-slicing.”

On Nov.16.2005 at 03:13 AM
Tselentis’s comment is:

On networking — I think you've already failed if you're conscientiously trying. It's like trying to act cool actually makes you uncool. And fake.

Networking should be intentional, you should "try" at it; mingling should feel more casual, and less like work.

On Nov.16.2005 at 12:06 PM
Tan’s comment is:

>you should "try" at it

Why should it be? Isn't "networking" essentially a way of meeting business/industry people in a variety of social settings? And if so, why must you force yourself into a different "work" / PR mode — if that's what I think you're suggesting?

People are people, no matter if they're designers, doctors, or plumbers. Everyone has interesting things to say about their work and themselves, whether it's to friends or strangers. Networking is just a silly term to make that act sound more self-important and intimidating than it needs to be.

Now, I agree that many people may need to work on their social skills in general. But that ability to talk to strangers and be "real" is as important whether you're meeting new neighbors or new business clients.

On Nov.16.2005 at 12:37 PM
Lonnie Tapia’s comment is:

Marc is a great speaker. Can't sing for shit though. I wonder if he made the AIGA folk listen to his marriachi music.

Hey, Marc, are you even a member of AIGA?

Miss ya.

-Lonnie Tapia

On Nov.16.2005 at 03:38 PM
Jessica Estrella’s comment is:

All I have to say viva la comunicacion para el conocimiento del interesado y... ONCE UPON A TIME IN NOGALES!!

On Nov.16.2005 at 04:03 PM
lauri combest’s comment is:

I wish I had that social cowboy (cowgirl) personality too but somehow I turned out quite shy and clueless as to how to begin to raise my voice. Marc's class got me started in that direction in that it taught me that really fucking scary things won't necessarily kill me.

So thanks, Marc.

I want to do big things. Bigger things than I feel like I'm capable of anyway, so somehow I'm going to have to overcome that feeling that my ability is measured by the loudness of my voice. Maybe along the way I'll be able to speak up too.

Big thing #1: wedding, october 2006. holy shit.

On Nov.16.2005 at 05:26 PM
BlueStreak’s comment is:

Marc English is the Johnny Cash of the AIGA? Does that mean that I need to seek out Marc at the next out of town AIGA event if I'm looking for my daily Jones fix? Johnny could get the good shit. I'm not sure about Marc.

Well, I take that back. I've seen Marc English deliver a keynote speech.

"Lost in Translation" is an excellent description of Senior English's presentation here in Memphis. Yes I think the neighborhood here really fits Marc. In fact the new movie about the late great JC, "Walk The Line" was filmed out my back door. (Late great JC in this case is not Jesus Christ.)

So anyway, "Lost in Translation." Marc English was here to deliver a keynote speech at the same time we had a delegation of visiting Russian ad execs. The group set up a remote video link so the translator could interpret the presentation without disturbing the main audience. Here comes keynote speaking dude with his spangled marriachi outfit. He grabs an electric guitar and begins to mangle a Clash song and deliver what was a memorable speech. I'll never forget it, yet still can't tell you the point of his presentation. He starts playing to the Russian group. They look confused. He plays to the live audience. The younger crowd is in awe. He plays back to the Russians. They look confused. He switches to the live crowd again. The video link goes dead. The Russians can't figure out what the hell it's about and have gone to the Rendezvous for BBQ.

Haaaaaaa! I still get a kick out of it. Best Bullshit Baffle I've ever seen.

Marc, we didn't meet. And I know you're rumored to be off to Arabia and now trying to get Viagra to sponsor an extended stay in BC. But I look forward to your next Mid-South migration. And yes Marc is in the AIGA and helped us with advice in getting chapter #51 well underway.

On Nov.16.2005 at 06:32 PM
Jason Tselentis’s comment is:

you should "try" at it

Why should it be? Isn't "networking" essentially a way of meeting business/industry people in a variety of social settings? And if so, why must you force yourself into a different "work" / PR mode — if that's what I think you're suggesting?

Sounds like we're getting into semantics, but frankly I don't care what it's called, nor do I believe that "working" at it makes you a poser. Bottom line: be yourself.

English has always been that. Anecdotally, my wife met him years ago in Nebraska at an AIGA lecture, and while reading his bio, she replied, "This guy's got some ego!" Behind her, Mr. English replied, "Really, why do you say that?" She went on to explain that his bio sounded awfully buttered up, like some rockstar's. They conversed for a while, shot the s#!&, had some drinks, and that was that. (I see a pattern above with booze always entering the picture; perhaps that explains the "naturalness.") In the end, he autographed her copy of Designing Identity with "Look after your sublime essence. Keep the faith" 29 April 1998

I think most of us agree that what makes Marc a fun person to be around is the fact that he's genuine. The same holds true for those "trying" to network, mingle, get a job, and/or land a date. Stay true to your essence really sums it up. My wife's comment was in the vein of being herself—outspoken. Marc dealt with her striking comment by being himself and talking through it. In the end, it all worked out.

On Nov.16.2005 at 07:53 PM
Amanda Woodward’s comment is:

I find that in my neck of the woods, starting a conversation on the subject of weather is always always a hit. Albertan's talk weather, it is kind of a kinship among all of us.

Basically we all just talk about how f-ing cold it is.

On Nov.16.2005 at 09:05 PM
Rob’s comment is:

I was lucky enough to have a weekend clinic on being Marc English earlier this year in all places but...Nashville. I found Marc to be everything that everyone else has already written and so much more.

I had always admired his work but to finally meet him, and to even dare call him friend, well that was just unreal. But truly what struck me was his genuineness and ability to be himself no matter what others thought. And the best part is that he can get away with it.

The man is also clearly a magician. How else does one explain him picking up a $2 book at a flea market, only to have the illustrations be done by none other than Eric Gill.

Marc truly is the design shaman of our time. And I'm just damn lucky I got to meet him and will continue to be inspired by him.

On Nov.16.2005 at 11:45 PM
Shaun Morrison’s comment is:

Bottom line: be yourself.

Sorry to skew this to a subject ever so slightly to something I am currently writing a research project about… anyway: what do people think of a university having as part of its curriculum teaching how to effectively network, socialise and schmooze?

I know there is at least one institution in the UK that has a �how to network’ crash-course. Do people think this is valid? Or does anybody think it is a pointless, disingenuous exercise?

On Nov.18.2005 at 09:50 AM
Tselentis’s comment is:

That would seem too forced, like "trying" too hard to educate people about the subject. Although, give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll eat for life.

On Nov.18.2005 at 02:21 PM
Michael Surtees’s comment is:

Shaun, I don't think there's anything wrong with a course on "how to network", but if you're at a University you should take advantage of the environment you're in. Volunteer or join a group that has nothing to do with design and you'll get a crash course in networking.

On Nov.18.2005 at 02:54 PM
Jason Tselentis’s comment is:

Ouí. I like Michael's directive.

On Nov.19.2005 at 12:40 PM
nova’s comment is:

Marc, I feel so lucky to have met you. Please come to L.A. and lecture! Can I get a backstage pass?

Great commentary. Inspirational as always...

On Nov.20.2005 at 02:07 AM
marc english’s comment is:

didn't really expect this blog to go in one of the directions it has. first, to deal with the personal, thanx for the kind words. they soften the blows that we all get dealt. to clarify any more myth-making, while there have been occasions where someone has bought me a cocktail before a talk (rare), it's usually a coke, so as to catch the sugar buzz. and my singing will not have me quiting my day job anytime soon (or ever).

regarding jason's wife and the 'ego' thing, i recall a job i had with the abc-tv affiliate in boston. a comrade said that my picture was next to the word ego in the dictionary, and after 3 years of telling me that, he opened our department dictionary and sure enough, he had pasted my picture in there. we each had a good laugh. my comrade is stilll there, in a job he has had for 20 years. i love him, but had he the confidance in his work, the belief that his work was of value other than doing news graphics of rape/robbery/fire/murder maybe he would have found a calling instead of a job.

maybe confidence is one issue that has come up with this posting, as that's what gets one thru the networking, glad-handing, or even ponitificating from podiums. condidence should come from believing in oneself, all others be damned. but more often than not, we care about what others think of us, even if they are neither family nor friend and know nothing other than the superficialities of what we wear, how we speak, et cetera.

when i was a kid there was a western tv show with walter brennan called "The Guns of Will Sonnet." walter played will, who with two sons was in search of the missing third. they were all the fastest guns around. the punch line was always will saying — with apparent evidence all around — "No brag, just fact."

i always loved that. either you got it or you don't, whatever IT may be. either you walk the walk, or like many we know, they're all hat and no cattle. and then there are the ones with plenty of cattle and have a point of letting you know they have more than you. when you get picked in kickball and are not the last one, you shouldn't gloat over the kid who was picked last, or that you were picked first, but instead be happy you were picked at all.

it's called humility. and that comes from understanding we all put our pants on the same way. of course i like to jump into mine two legs at a time while doing a flip, but that's how i was raised - by circus freaks.

i think the class shaun writes of makes sense, though could see it happening in several contexts. and it's ideas like that which make this a valuable forum, not caressing my delicate ego (yeah...there...a little to the left). its about communication, about learning how to read other people and react to other people.

one can judge a book by its cover but i insist at looking at the contents first. i've bought too many crummy books.

when i was 15 i was in a drama class, at of all places, M.I.T. one day we did an exercise where we had to stand in front of another person and, with eyes closed, touch them, run our hands over them. and i got the girl that was my girlfriend for a short while. it's scary as hell to let people touch us if we are not used to it, particularly at that age, when the hormones are bustin' out. it's equally scary to do the touching: what is appropriate, innapropriate?

jason's wife and i touched each other in different ways when we first "met." maybe her opinion changed. at speaking gigs these days, as i am fairly anonymous (the mariachi outfits are for special occasions - like memphis, tijuana, a bit of nogales) i prefer to just ask people why they are out for the evening, where they are from. i don't have to explain i'm the guy they are there to hear (and more often than not they don't recognize me), and people are usually happy to chat about themselves if you ask nicely.

the class shaun refers to needn't have body touching, though i do require my students to learn how to shake hands, once coupling the dainty cambodian girl with the meathead yankee football player till they are comfortable with each other.

likewise, i was teaching a typography class back in '97 when i came upon the idea to make students hold hands in pairs, to study each other's hand for a good two minutes. just did this recently at the art instute in denver and of course saw the same homoerotic fears creep up, but forced them to keep at it. my excerise was to have them find at least one thing they really liked in that other person's hands. a decade ago a colleague used his handprint on a project, as i have done many times. of course i think i have the perfect man hands, but when i saw dave's i realized as he knew HIS hand best, he no doubt felt his the most appropriate.

the type excercise was to point out that if the students could not find one redeeming value in the flesh and blood of a human (texture, shape, scent, flesh, hair, nail) then how could the really expect to care about the nuances of individual letterforms? an excercise like that, where one starts by feeling uncomfortable and later finding the good in it, is one they won't soon forget.

most of us have learned by now that we all seek comfort, and have learned HOW to seek comfort. if things get too comfy, we get deadened. we see this in relationships, in design, in any number of things. some, like my friend at the tv station, are comfortable with the path they have chosen. he'll never read this blog or any close to it. and that's ok. he's still a great guy.

i sent him a postcard from ames, iowa once, when i was in the area. i sent him postcard of john wayne's home, as my amigo was a big wayne fan. wayne was born Marion Morrison. he became someone else. maybe the guy he became was shaped by who he wanted to be. and maybe he was shaped thru the years by the baggage that came with his career, his craft.

well, that's more than enough from this end. people pay big bucks for the genuine and authentic, which would make anyone with the willingness to share of themselves priceless. as we try to hits those marks in design, why would it be more difficult to do that as people?

On Dec.02.2005 at 12:54 PM
marc english’s comment is:

didn't really expect this blog to go in one of the directions it has. first, to deal with the personal, thanx for the kind words. they soften the blows that we all get dealt. to clarify any more myth-making, while there have been occasions where someone has bought me a cocktail before a talk (rare), it's usually a coke, so as to catch the sugar buzz. and my singing will not have me quiting my day job anytime soon (or ever).

regarding jason's wife and the 'ego' thing, i recall a job i had with the abc-tv affiliate in boston. a comrade said that my picture was next to the word ego in the dictionary, and after 3 years of telling me that, he opened our department dictionary and sure enough, he had pasted my picture in there. we each had a good laugh. my comrade is stilll there, in a job he has had for 20 years. i love him, but had he the confidance in his work, the belief that his work was of value other than doing news graphics of rape/robbery/fire/murder maybe he would have found a calling instead of a job.

maybe confidence is one issue that has come up with this posting, as that's what gets one thru the networking, glad-handing, or even ponitificating from podiums. condidence should come from believing in oneself, all others be damned. but more often than not, we care about what others think of us, even if they are neither family nor friend and know nothing other than the superficialities of what we wear, how we speak, et cetera.

when i was a kid there was a western tv show with walter brennan called "The Guns of Will Sonnet." walter played will, who with two sons was in search of the missing third. they were all the fastest guns around. the punch line was always will saying — with apparent evidence all around — "No brag, just fact."

i always loved that. either you got it or you don't, whatever IT may be. either you walk the walk, or like many we know, they're all hat and no cattle. and then there are the ones with plenty of cattle and have a point of letting you know they have more than you. when you get picked in kickball and are not the last one, you shouldn't gloat over the kid who was picked last, or that you were picked first, but instead be happy you were picked at all.

it's called humility. and that comes from understanding we all put our pants on the same way. of course i like to jump into mine two legs at a time while doing a flip, but that's how i was raised - by circus freaks.

i think the class shaun writes of makes sense, though could see it happening in several contexts. and it's ideas like that which make this a valuable forum, not caressing my delicate ego (yeah...there...a little to the left). its about communication, about learning how to read other people and react to other people.

one can judge a book by its cover but i insist at looking at the contents first. i've bought too many crummy books.

when i was 15 i was in a drama class, at of all places, M.I.T. one day we did an exercise where we had to stand in front of another person and, with eyes closed, touch them, run our hands over them. and i got the girl that was my girlfriend for a short while. it's scary as hell to let people touch us if we are not used to it, particularly at that age, when the hormones are bustin' out. it's equally scary to do the touching: what is appropriate, innapropriate?

jason's wife and i touched each other in different ways when we first "met." maybe her opinion changed. at speaking gigs these days, as i am fairly anonymous (the mariachi outfits are for special occasions - like memphis, tijuana, a bit of nogales) i prefer to just ask people why they are out for the evening, where they are from. i don't have to explain i'm the guy they are there to hear (and more often than not they don't recognize me), and people are usually happy to chat about themselves if you ask nicely.

the class shaun refers to needn't have body touching, though i do require my students to learn how to shake hands, once coupling the dainty cambodian girl with the meathead yankee football player till they are comfortable with each other.

likewise, i was teaching a typography class back in '97 when i came upon the idea to make students hold hands in pairs, to study each other's hand for a good two minutes. just did this recently at the art instute in denver and of course saw the same homoerotic fears creep up, but forced them to keep at it. my excerise was to have them find at least one thing they really liked in that other person's hands. a decade ago a colleague used his handprint on a project, as i have done many times. of course i think i have the perfect man hands, but when i saw dave's i realized as he knew HIS hand best, he no doubt felt his the most appropriate.

the type excercise was to point out that if the students could not find one redeeming value in the flesh and blood of a human (texture, shape, scent, flesh, hair, nail) then how could the really expect to care about the nuances of individual letterforms? an excercise like that, where one starts by feeling uncomfortable and later finding the good in it, is one they won't soon forget.

most of us have learned by now that we all seek comfort, and have learned HOW to seek comfort. if things get too comfy, we get deadened. we see this in relationships, in design, in any number of things. some, like my friend at the tv station, are comfortable with the path they have chosen. he'll never read this blog or any close to it. and that's ok. he's still a great guy.

i sent him a postcard from ames, iowa once, when i was in the area. i sent him postcard of john wayne's home, as my amigo was a big wayne fan. wayne was born Marion Morrison. he became someone else. maybe the guy he became was shaped by who he wanted to be. and maybe he was shaped thru the years by the baggage that came with his career, his craft.

well, that's more than enough from this end. people pay big bucks for the genuine and authentic, which would make anyone with the willingness to share of themselves priceless. as we try to hits those marks in design, why would it be more difficult to do that as people?

On Dec.02.2005 at 12:54 PM