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Asking the Tough Questions

You wouldn’t know it from looking here at the front page, but there’s trouble brewing in the Book Club. A gauntlet is on the floor, having been thrown by Mr. Rudy VanderLans, proprietor of Emigre and of course editor of “Rant,” who writes:

“Where are the designers who align themselves, through their work, with their ideologies? The discussions on Speak Up often rage about the big political issues of today, such as media consolidation, corporate scandals, American imperialism, war, the environment, etc. Opinions galore about important issues. But they always seem to be separate from the work that designers create. … Why is no one willing to ask the tough questions?”

What I want to know from you the general readership is, what are the tough questions? What are the questions that you ask yourself on the drive to the office? Are they political questions, creative questions, pragmatic questions, ethical questions? How do you make the tough decisions—do you have any kind of political/ethical/practical guidelines or principles thought out beforehand, or do you confront situations as they come along?

I don’t believe that there are no tough questions. Nor does the likelihood that the answers are complicated or vague or unsatisfactory make the questions any less important. (As James Thurber said, “I’d rather know some of the questions than all of the answers.”) But I also don’t believe that the tough questions are solely political. The best way I can think to put it, in good old Jeffersonian everyone-be-free-and-also-accountable terms, is: What do you choose to be responsible for?

In other words, what are your values as a designer? And—I think this is a little what Rudy is getting at—are your values as a designer separated from your values as a citizen?

Not your usual Friday fare, but someone’s gotta pick up that glove. Several more paragraphs of my own ranting, which you’re all free to disregard, are in the link below:

I do not agree with Rudy’s characterization of the Speak Up discussions. Most of the raging seems to me to be about design issues (esp. branding), design politics (the, uh, AIGA), design software (aka the Shoot Me Now debates), design culture (Who Wants to be a Rock Star), and design taste (in which someone, ahem, actually defended the Dunkin Donuts logo). No one is wondering when Kenneth Lay or Ari Fleischer is going to show up and weigh in with their views—discussions are pretty much about design and designers’ lives.

But more to the point, I don’t agree with the implication behind Rudy’s comment: that designers don’t very well put their money where their mouth is (a rather ironic metaphor, since what a waste of money), that we talk an ideological line but don’t walk it in our actual production.

The implication is that designers are hypocritical. I don’t agree because I don’t think it’s a question of hypocrisy. Some form of idealism is at work to think that political ideologies and design practices should be harmonious. I leave it to you all to define more precisely that form of idealism is (pie-in-the-sky, optimistic, foolhardly, compelling, etc).

The hypocrisy game is an easy one. It’s easy to demand that a designer with a poltical opinion should be making anti-Bush posters on their own dime (because of course if you’re a designer you’re definitely anti-Bush, right?), or that if you have a shred of feeling about forests, you should be spec’ing only recycled paper. Remember when you were in school and were supposed to decide if you’d take a job designing cigarette packaging? Quelle facile dilemma!

These are pretty easy and almost always polarizing shots to take and prove nothing about the real moral ambiguity of design practice. But the presumptuousness behind them (that designers are liberal, or always in charge of budgets and therefore production decisions, or that designers even feel professionally obligated to care about politics) is transparent. It seems to me simplistic (in a bad way) and kind of absurd to argue that if a designer cares about politics, they should produce poltical work (only polticial work? mostly political? 38% political? Who’s setting the standard, by the way?). It’s simplistic on the level of the reality that many designers are not in a position to do a lot of picking and choosing of clients. It’s absurd because who has only one or two or five things they care about? I could list about fifty things that I care about and want to design for without taking a breath—am I therefore professionally obligated to go out and work only in those areas? I do not much care for religion—does that mean I should never do any work for a religious organization? (Maybe I’d learn something from such a project, which would be good fo my black little soul.)

And who exactly am I to say what you should care about and what kind of projects you should be producing? It’s rather an evangelical position (not to mention undemocratic in the generic sense), but then I always thought the worst kind of evangelicals were the political ones.

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Eric’s comment is:

i love it when Sam gets all uppity.

Maybe this is the right place to suggest that the Speak Up community, editors and plebes, consider offering some kind of pro-bono outlet?

On Jun.13.2003 at 09:50 AM
Darrel’s comment is:

In other words, what are your values as a designer?

The same values I have as a person.

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:02 AM
Darrel’s comment is:

(Of course that doesn't mean I refuse all jobs that may differ from my own personal values.)

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:04 AM
armin’s comment is:

I told you all Sam had something terrible prepared for everybody.

I have to get some work done, but I'll come back with some thoughts later on.

>in which someone, ahem, actually defended the Dunkin Donuts logo

Whatever man!

>Ari Fleischer

Now he would be a great Speak Up author. I'm sure he likes donuts.

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:07 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Darrel, can you offer any further elaboration?

Maybe values are a private matter? I don't see why they have to be. Some would say they're the opposite--that one's external interactions are evidence of one's values.

And Eric, until I get paid with some wasabi peas, this whole dang Speak Up is pro-bono!

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:13 AM
rebecca’s comment is:

Sam, I'm willing to bet you are hypocritical sometimes in your work. I know I am. Instead of getting entrenched in mutual accusations ("You're a hypocrite!" "Oh yeah? Well you're naive!") I think it might be interesting to talk about the ways we as designers inhabit both those camps.

I'll start: I chose to work in a non-profit scholarly environment for ideological reasons, mainly because I knew I'd feel bad working for corporate clients every day. The trade-off is that I know my work will have less impact on the world because of the books' low profile. If I were braver I'd tear it up in meetings with corporate clients and insist that they, I don't know, depict more women and minorities in their print ads. You get my drift.

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:17 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Well put, Rebecca. I have a friend who is an amazing Flash developer who works at the public television station for the same reason, even though he could be raking in the corporate money doing something else.

However, I was trying to say in my extended comments that the question of values is not simply reducible to hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is the easy way to look at it, especially on the level of what kind of projects/job one does. And hypocrisy is a dead end, because to say someone else is being hypocritical usually just means that their practices and my values are different. But why should they be the same? Should we all have the same values? Can anyone get John Ashcroft in here?

I most definitely don't mean to claim that I am without moral or ethical contradictions (but I'm a Gemini and we're all over the place) in my work or my life. For example, when I worked for Simon & Schuster and was paid $25,000 to do two jobs (one of which was saving the company about $3000 for every book I typeset), I took as many books as I wanted. I felt entitled. This is stealing, though, isn't it? I do think being "entitled" is kind of bullshit. (See how I described the money as a way to rationalize it? Oh I am not pure!)

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:33 AM
Eric’s comment is:

Tell you what Sam:

I'll buy you a Martini at Bemmelmen's ... where the wasabi peas are free. If I can get your "black little soul" to consider a productive outlet for that venom.

i consider this forum to err slightly more on the narcissistic side than altruistism.

so far as my politics are concerned. I chose a long time ago to go to a Design school rather than an Art school. I consider myself to be somewhat pro-business. And i think i've made clear in the book chat that i think Design is an endeavor that should be clear of hubris.

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:51 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Here's a quick example of one of my own tough questions, one that has nothing to do with Rudy's political angle, but rather to do with what might maybe be in the category of professional practices--

I always try to check myself that I'm doing the best work I can possibly do. Basically, at some point, I try to look at what I'm working on and ask, "Is this crap?" Or "Have I done enough research?" or "Am I really trying to do a good job or just get this done?" Because I work by myself and don't have anyone to bounce ideas off of, this can be hard to do in the whirlwind of trying to stay on top of everything. It's a hard question because, if it is the best I can do and it's still not very good, then I'm screwed, basically. And inevitably everything starts to look like crap.

I know pretty much all designers push themselves to do better work, but this constitutes a form of values, no?

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:58 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Martini and peas--finally this design business is paying off!

On Jun.13.2003 at 10:59 AM
jonsel’s comment is:

I consider myself to be somewhat pro-business.

I am tired of reading diatribes against people who design for commerce. How do we think this society functions? First Things First really pissed me off. If I read Rudy's intent correctly, he's saying a similar thing: we are required by moral and ethical codes to wear our politics on our sleeves, and, henceforth, on and in our work. And the subtext seems to be that commercial endeavors are not politically correct. I think my ideologies line up fairly well with what I'm doing. I serve other businesses in their pursuits. When I feel like they don't deserve my services, I'll cease to offer them. The reason I'm on my own is so I can have better opportunity to do just that.

In the end, I'm also trying to do creative work that leaves me, at the end of the day, satisfied with what I am doing with my life.

And Potts, no more french. It's verboten. ;-)

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:15 AM
debbie millman’s comment is:

Superb topic, Sam.

>I chose to work in a non-profit scholarly environment for ideological reasons, mainly because I knew I'd feel bad working for corporate clients every day

Marshall McLuhan and Quentin Fiore opened their 1967 book "The Medium is the Message" with the image of a logo "printed" on a raw egg. Even then, they saw fit to comment on the colonization of attention through the inscription of surfaces. Their caption on the yolk read, " A trademark is printed on a raw egg yolk by a no-contact, no pressure printing technique. Imagine the possibilities to which this device with give birth!"

Here it is 2003, and we no longer need to imagine. Today we have ads on bananas. On oranges. On basketballs. The issues with working on big brands/corporate initiatives, et al is that we seem to think that we have no voice in communicating or refusing to communicate "values." Dog biscuits, ballot forms, annual reports and propaganda posters all need to be approached with an eye towards communicating real values--with no lies. Honesty and integrity in corporate America. A value to aspire to?

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:17 AM
Darrel’s comment is:

Darrel, can you offer any further elaboration?

We all have values. I can certainly tell you mine, but I don't think anyone would care ;o)

Here's a specific example. I despise lobbying. I despise the way corporations are able to control much of how our government runs. That said, I gladly did work for a large national bank's Political Action group.

I didn't like what they did, but I can still do good work for them. Which I did.

I wouldn't design a logo for a white supremacy group, but I may design a logo for AppleBees. I find both organizations are an affront to my values, but to much different degrees. ;o)

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:21 AM
Darrel’s comment is:

This is stealing, though, isn't it? I do think being "entitled" is kind of bullshit.

Hmm...I call 'office supplies' a 'perk'. I suppose everyone has their own term for that type of thing. ;o)

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:26 AM
pnk’s comment is:

To broaden this a little, I think some of the hard questions are ones that everyone, not just designers, face:

How political is the personal? When I decide to work in an environment that offers more pay/less freedom so that my wife can be home with our kids, am I making an implicit statement in favor of Family? Or am I simply accepting the devil's bargain that Capitalism offers?

The fact that I am a designer complicates this, since I feel a certain responsibility to the culture at large (as a creator of printed material that ends up in Landfill, as a creator of more visual noise to add to the cultural racket). Am I adding to the problem or, through informed choices, making things. if not better, less bad? This is a hard one, and I ask this of myself all the time.

To answer one of Sam's questions on what my personal values are, one thing I am continuously advocating for is honesty in communication. I won't, in the interest of "creating shareholder value", produce work that is misleading or deceptive. Not suprisingly, I have to defend this position regularly. (Debbie, I think it is a value to aspire to, but it feels alternately valiant, arrogant and, in a general sense, futile much of the time.)

A big hard question:

Is it really possible to "fight the system from within?"

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:38 AM
debbie millman’s comment is:

A big hard question:

Is it really possible to "fight the system from within?"

It is possible. It is sometimes done. It is often futile. It is rarely done with design. Interestingly, we are all making value statements writing in this forum. We make value statements when we talk about the mid-west, Wal-Mart, tattoos, the AIGA and so on.

Back to the question--yes, I think it is possible to fight the system from within: think Michael Moore, Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, the woman who blew the whistle at Enron. I would even put Ed Fella in there. What other designers could you list as "designers that fought the system from within"? (And I am not talking about "changing the game" or "pushing boundaries.")

On Jun.13.2003 at 11:51 AM
Eric’s comment is:

Michael Moore is as much Hollywood as anything else. The others are products of their particular systems as well -- or perhaps better put as 'charicatures of their ideals'. I would be very curious if Ed Fella considers himself a success or if his 'success' is more of a curiosity to him. in a way, and i love Fella's work, his overtly styled palette is as much graphically suspect as the super-flat/neo modernist critique that was brought up re Rant.

Anyone can sabotage a print run and fight for the little guy but it's hardly a productive or ethically correct way to pursue a career.

Blaming design and designers for the products that they work on is like accusing Michael Jordan of only having been a good basketball player in order to help Nike populate more sweatshops and generate advertising revenue for whomever has the NBA license.

On Jun.13.2003 at 12:11 PM
Tan’s comment is:

Design is sort of my second career. I started out in medicine, having worked at a couple of large, prestigious teaching hospitals while I was attending college. I worked with doctors, research PhDs, and people who really believed in what they were doing. I chose that career because I believed in its values. Youthful idealism I suppose.

But the reality is that the ideologies of a profession is not a reflection of the personal values of its professionals. Doctors are far from saints -- some are good people, some are not. But the work of these people speak highly of their professional principles and guidelines. Take the hypocratic oath that every physician must take -- it is, in essence, a promise to separate a physician's personal values with his/her professional principles.

My work as a designer is my work -- it's not a direct condensation of who I am as a person. Of course there's an integrity I bring to my work, but that's a professional value. There's much of me in my work, but it doesn't define who I am as a person.

I choose not to design for things I hate, distrust, or find no value in. But there are designers out there who will -- and that's unfortunate, but ok with me. It doesn't mean the profession is devalued by the work.

Having said that, I'm very cynical of designers that use their design work as platforms to preach personal values and principles. If you want to grandstand -- then run for public office and do something. If you hate a product, then don't buy it. Just don't use design to tell me what a good person you are.

I'm not suggesting that all designers should ignore their civic and social responsibilities. I'm just saying that it's too simplistic to blame the problems of the world -- political, social, and consumer/economic -- on the ethical principles of designers and their work.

On Jun.13.2003 at 12:23 PM
Tan’s comment is:

> How political is the personal? When I decide to work in an environment that offers more pay/less freedom so that my wife can be home with our kids, am I making an implicit statement in favor of Family?

It means you're human -- as well as a good father and a good husband.

It's not political at all. You've simply (and correctly) prioritized your personal family values against your professional needs.

Not our business to question your decision as a designer.

On Jun.13.2003 at 12:46 PM
luumpo’s comment is:

Michael Moore is as much Hollywood as anything else.

Care to explain that? This is so far from my conception of Michael Moore that I can't even begin to understand it.

On Jun.13.2003 at 12:50 PM
Eric’s comment is:

Michael Moore was caught staging the 'Open a Bank Account and we'll give you a Gun' portion of the Columbine movie. Amongst other fallacious assertions.

If the hallmark of your righteous diatribe (Columbine, in this case) is showing Truth to the American people, then i'd have to say that this little re-enactment/misappropriation is the same type of huckstering as the media that he pretends to critque.

I forget where i first read the account of the following but a quick check on the web found an Andrew Sullivan link (who i am neutral on):

"Perhaps the most gripping scene in the movie is one where Moore simply turns up at a bank, North Country Bank & Trust in Traverse City, Michigan, opens a bank account and gets a gun for his trouble. As he walks away, Moore chortles to the camera: "Here's my first question: do you think it's a little dangerous handing out guns at a bank?" It would be if true. But in fact the bank in question only gives you a gun if you open long-term CDs, and then you have to go to a gun store to get the gun after a background check. The scene, according to Lyons, was staged."

an entire critique of Moore is here:

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20021208

Ultimately, i find that truth is A-political and you will be continually disappointed if you look to somebody else to provide it for you.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:12 PM
Darrel’s comment is:

How did we end up talking about Micheal Moore?

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:12 PM
Eric’s comment is:

Debbie held him up as an example of somebody working within the system to achieve an alternate / original point of view.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:22 PM
pnk’s comment is:

Not our business to question your decision as a designer.

I realize it is no one's decision but mine. My point was, perhaps poorly made, that the personal/political decisions we make as designers are no different than those that anyone makes. They are complicated by an inflated sense of purpose (it's hard to imagine this kind of self-examination on a Project Management blog, were one to exist!) that can both motivate or hinder us, depending on how well we keep them in perspective.

And I'm fine with anyone who wants to question anything I say in this forum! I put it up here in the spirit of honest discussion and, because of the continuing quality of the dialogue on Speak Up, I don't worry about having to defend myself against assholes.

Thanks for the kind words, btw.

As far as "pushing values through design" is concerned, how can one not express his/her values in the way they work? They might be political, personal, or aesthetic values, but I think its impossible to live one life at "work" and another in "real life". I make a separation between the two only in terms of how long I'm willing to spend every day on the former.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:26 PM
debbie millman’s comment is:

Eric--I couldn't get to your link on Michael Moore's staging. I am horrified to think that this man staged the entire thing--and truly disappointed. If it is indeed true, please consider my example of his being somebody working within the system to achieve an alternate/original point of view retracted. In many ways, (again, if it is true) I find this type of behavior even worse than the average corporate scam artist. At least we are already wary of corporate ethics. But to perpetrate a lie to the public in the guise of "opening our eyes" is just plain reprehensible. How depressing.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:33 PM
armin’s comment is:

I hate when my work gets in the way of discussing here. How's that for personal values?

Where to start? Well, I am designer because that is what I love doing, it took me a couple years in college to figure that out and 3-4 to know that I was good at it. To me design is my form of expression —�just like others do it through art, photography or karate. Every job I do is very important to me (even stupid black and white ads that run in 100-run publications.)

I'm also with Jonsel on this one (re: I am tired of reading diatribes against people who design for commerce.) What the hell is so wrong with such activity? Money makes the world go round and I'll be stupid not to get my money to make my life go round. I have never had any moral issues with what I do, I don't do political design because I'm not that interested in doing it, as that work would no longer be a representation of who I am. I'm sure I would do a kick ass job for an organization trying to free Tibet (or whatever) but I choose not to do it, because that's not me. On the other hand you have guys like our Kevin Lo who thrives and loves that stuff and he's good at it.

Also, and this might get me some big boos, I don't give a crap about the environment. There are thousands of people (designers among them) who do and that's great, but me? I will choose to print a brochure with bleeds (rather than no bleeds) even if it wastes more paper. And I'll spec it on the least recyclable paper if it will look better. Why should I make a big effort for the environment when 95% of America is wasting so much fucking stuff. To me, it's not worth the aggravation of going through all the problems of saving the environment when the rest of the population is screwing with it. Defeatist mentality all the way, I know and I can live with it.

Sure, I recycle my ziplocs for my sandwich, but when it comes to design I don't pay much attention to it. If the printer uses soy based inks Mazel Tov, if not I don't object.

> What do you choose to be responsible for?

I choose to be responsible for what goes out there in the world with my name on it (not necessarily printed on it.) I want to feel responsible to a client's needs and to my creative standards.

Dang, more work... be back later.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:37 PM
brook’s comment is:

First Things First really pissed me off. If I read Rudy's intent correctly, he's saying a similar thing: we are required by moral and ethical codes to wear our politics on our sleeves, and, henceforth, on and in our work.

There is no need to show your politics in your work. But EVERY citizen (citizen is the important word here) has a right and obligation to contribute to, support, criticize and otherwise work to improve their country. So, if you are not willing to wear your politics on your sleeve, then I'd argue that you are giving up an important role in this country. I generally do not see a problem seperating business from work. But business is business. Is that what you live for? I would hope there is something more important. And if you could use your skills (even if you got them to serve business) in those more important endeavors, wouldn't it be a waste not to?

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:45 PM
brook’s comment is:

Michael Moore was caught staging the 'Open a Bank Account and we'll give you a Gun' portion of the Columbine movie. Amongst other fallacious assertions.

I wouldn't say staged. To make the point a little clearer, he just creatively edits out the waiting period part. That may be a little unethical, but the point stands none-the-less. He wasn't saying "hey look, they'll give guns to anyone." I think he was just showing that guns are such a part of american life that they could even be a reward for opening a bank account. Bowling for Columbine is not even an anti-gun movie. That's what people say who haven't seen it. It is really a critique on our "culture of fear." if you can deny that, then you are completely oblivious to the state of this country. Anywho...

The anti-Moore sites have just as much of an agenda as michael does. The waiting period cut is the only thing that I have seen that somewhat bothered me. It is a great movie.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:48 PM
rebecca’s comment is:

I don't think Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky work effectively within the system. To me they are both ideologues who pull publicity stunts and offer simplistic rhetoric. I think they hurt the left, and more importantly, public discourse.

Here's one way I'd like to work within the system as a designer: when a book cover calls for the generic concept "person," I find it hard to resist using an image of a white man—because a black man, Asian woman, etc. implies "black person", "Asian person" and I don't want to mislead the reader into thinking the book is about African American Studies, Asian Studies, etc. Case in point:

In case you can't tell, that's a white guy. I'd like to start incorporating women and minorities into my own work to publicly combat the "white man=person" fallacy. Kind of like how "Spy Kids" features a Latino family and never makes a big deal about their ethnicity, but doesn't try to whitewash it either.

For the record, I don't think I'm ahead of corporate America on this one.

On Jun.13.2003 at 01:54 PM
Eric’s comment is:

Brooke: "he just creatively edits out the waiting period part. That may be a little unethical, but the point stands none-the-less. He wasn't saying "hey look, they'll give guns to anyone."

Sullivan:"As he walks away, Moore chortles to the camera: "Here's my first question: do you think it's a little dangerous handing out guns at a bank?"

I would think the point of the joke was that Moore is placing the gun in context to banks which are traditionally robbed by guns. It's funny.

I really didn't want to derail this thread with specifics on Moore and/or politics. My intention was to point out that he was NOT a likely candidate for somebody that is working with integrity through a chosen profession. He now exitsts in the catagory of celebrity rather than maintaining the profession that is the veneer for their stardom.

And for the record, i'm a hardcore Millman fan despite the noted difference above. Sorry for rocking your boat on a Friday, Debbie.

On Jun.13.2003 at 02:05 PM
brook’s comment is:

That's cool. I didn't think that you really intended to say much more than that. His fame is really from TV Nation and Roger and Me though. He just made himself a much larger target of the far-right with 'bowling' and 'stupid white men.'

But i'll agree that he doesn't necessarily fit into the context we are talking about. working from within, that is. He's most certainly on the 'outside.'

On Jun.13.2003 at 02:24 PM
armin’s comment is:

>But business is business. Is that what you live for?

I live for my business. It so happens to be a business that I love to be part of. I love designing, I love btiching about clients, I love the smell of ink when I go to a press check, I love the little dog that runs (on Fetch) when I'm uploading the final version of a web site, I love that I can affect somebody else's life (because I'm part of their own business) with my creativity and my passion for my business. I still don't understand why business is such an evil thing. As Forrest Gump would say if he were a businessman "Evil is as evil does." My life revolves around my business, with enormous perks on the side: a wife, a place to live, friends, basketball, family, chocolate and whatnot... business, this (design) business makes and builds my life, and I'd be damned if I thought that was a bad thing. If somebody questions their business so much, they are probably in the wrong one.

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:05 PM
Sam’s comment is:

...phew, back from a meeting...

I like that everyone is talking one very broad levels and very particular ones, and it's very helpful to look outside the design profession for how values are integrated.

Tan, your point:

But the reality is that the ideologies of a profession is not a reflection of the personal values of its professionals.

is excellent, and raises the question, What are the values of the design profession as a whole?

A pretty impossible question (if only there were like a national organization that would publish guidelines...perhaps on a website...nahhhh). But I'd say that the design profession believes in serving the communications needs of other industries. With an extra bit about adding value and generating desire.

No, strike that. My head's going to explode trying to come up with a mission statement for all the many things that are design. But I can see how I have some personal values that would be unnecessary to a broader set od professional values.

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:16 PM
luumpo’s comment is:

Seems to me that the problem Mr. Vanderlans is addressing is this:

His perception of designers is that they tend to be liberal, anti-capitalist, moral individuals. Whether or not this is true is beside the point. This is what he perceives.

He sees the work created by these liberal, anti-capitalist, moral individuals, and it doesn't add up. Anti-capitalists should not be crafting annual reports.

So, I think what he is trying to do is find a way to explain for the disparity. Are designers quieting their liberal voices in pursuit of the dollar? Or is his perception somehow skewed?

I think it's a mixture of both. Sure, designers can be liberal. But I think they tend to be more moderate-liberal, which means they aren't going to go out and start protesting because their printer is using a type of paper made from trees that, when harvested, destroy the natural habitat of some toad.

I think also that there are a lot of conservative designers out there, that Mr. Vanderlans perhaps hasn't encountered.

In any case, do we have a moral obligation to express our ideologies with our work? No. No one is obligated to do anything.

Should we? I certaintly don't want to spend my life doing advertisments and rebranding. I want to design for organizations that really need it. I want to design for organizations that maybe aren't being taken as seriously as they should because they haven't had a designer working for them. That's what I want to do.

What would corporations do if all designers quit doing work for them? Would their business be substantially affected? Would we be able to find work with non-profits? Would we be out on the streets, offering to design wedding invitations out of the back of a van?

I don't know. I am sick of advertising. But I don't know if that means it should go away.

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:39 PM
felix’s comment is:

I am tired of reading diatribes against people who design for commerce.

Me too, but I'm more tired of hearing brandiatribes. Hey, thats pretty good. Brandiatribe. Hmm. I should copyright that.

Sell it off to Poyner... print a rant on First things First. We'll make millions!

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:46 PM
luumpo’s comment is:

But I'd say that the design profession believes in serving the communications needs of other industries. With an extra bit about adding value and generating desire.

Sam, I know you said strike this, but I couldn't help it.

Design professionals do design for things other than outside industries. Any designer's website is design not for another industry, but for themselves. So for a good definition, we would have to allow that sort of thing in.

Would the designer that creates typefaces in her spare time consider that part of her professional career? Is that professional work, even if the face is never used in anything? I think it is. It was crafted by a designer.

Designers are artists. We take chaos and institute an order upon it. We specialize in organization. We pay attention to way in which we order the chaos - we like patterns and harmony.

Does it really matter who finances it? As long as you don't just do what the person with the money tells you to, I think it's art.

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:47 PM
armin’s comment is:

> I think it's art.

Ok, before people start going off on an art vs design discussion please read this thread and post your opinions there. Thanks. No offense to your comments luumpo, just keeping the discussion on track.

On Jun.13.2003 at 03:55 PM
debbie millman’s comment is:

The value of design is different from design values. Anyone not sure of the value of design need only look at the 2000 presidential election, and how the design of the ballot form affected the future of the entire world.

As for design values--that is a slippery-slope. It is subjective and often influenced by personal values, ethics, morales and beliefs. The tough question for me is this:how can you avoid manipulating people with design? Design motivates, informs, inspires, challenges, angers, annoys, etc. Where does honest communication end and manipulative communication begin?

>What would corporations do if all designers quit doing work for them?

I happened to do a search on "graphic design+value" and found what corporations could do if all designers quit doing work for them: www.buyerzone.com

(sorry, Armin, I can't figure out how to do a link. Also--the Rant discussion is amazing)

On Jun.13.2003 at 04:06 PM
armin’s comment is:

Ah, don't worry about it. This would be a better link to what you are talking about, right?

On Jun.13.2003 at 04:13 PM
pnk’s comment is:

What other designers could you list as "designers that fought the system from within"?

Although not the kind of graphic designer usually spoken of here, Edward Tufte

is doing this to a certain degree. I'll admit he can be awfully arrogant at times, but by doing his seminars to huge numbers of middle-managers and non-designers he's teaching people about thinking visually in a way that has not only made my job easier on occasion but also combats a cultural dumbing-down which in no small way undermines democracy itself.

The "system" wants people to pay no attention to details, to speak in bullet points, and to simplify information to the point of near-meaninglessness so that we, as consumers of media, learn to just take things at face value. Tufte is a champion of elegantly composed complexity, and I think this is an aesthetic position that is political as well.

On Jun.13.2003 at 04:23 PM
Tan’s comment is:

I don't know how to add to this discussion without sounding like a money-grabbin, soulless designer. And that's just not the case.

There are definite civic responsibilities for all of us. But to say that all designer must also be good citizens is bullshit. And just because we're not all standing up holding hands to end hunger doesn't mean that the profession is "in a slump" or there's a "disparity" in anything.

I always go back to this comparison -- design is closest to music. There are commercial music, experimental music, classic, country, rock, pop, etc. If you think about it, graphic design can have the same categorization based on users and creators.

Now, does anyone question the ethical relevance of the music industry as a whole? Does anyone expect 50 cent, Moby, and Pavorotti to have the same values? Does that "disparity" mean the entire music industry is hypocritical shit? Well no, because that would be stupid.

The design industry is no different.

To generalize design values in the first place is pointless. There will always be a mix of values in our industry -- as well as varying degrees of effort for accountability. Great I say, but it's stupid to expect a resolution.

Then there's the issue of commerce. I love money. I wish I had more of it. It allows me to provide for my family and myself. I'm ecstatic that I can make money as a designer -- it's something I'm good at and enjoy doing. I think we're all damn fortunate. If you think being a good citizen means that you have to martyr yourself and live dirt poor -- then fine, just give your money to me. I'll be happy to take it.

On Jun.13.2003 at 05:58 PM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

I just erased everything trying to post........

I will try and recap my beautiful argument. Apologies to those that are:

I am tired of reading diatribes against people who design for commerce.

but as Armin kindly stated:

On the other hand you have guys like our Kevin Lo who thrives and loves that stuff and he's good at it.

so that's where I'm comin from. Please excuse my second attempt at a disjointed argument and any typos caused from frustration with this f**king keyboard.

I'll start with an excerpt from my thesis to provide a little context.

If we wish to continue to believe that we live in a democratic society, then we, as citizens, must engage in a more direct control over the makeup of our social environment.The environment cannot be left to regulation by an idealised market system.The belief in an unsustainable economic model has led to countless atrocities; rampant environmental destruction, an exponentially growing divide between the rich and the poor, endless war. If we understand that the means of communication set the basic parameters or the functioning of society, then designers are complicit in the perpetuation of these problems.Yet this understanding also places the designer in a privileged position for the furthering of a socially progressive agenda. As the adverse effects of rampant commercial culture grow, it is continually challenged by popular resistance. It is design’s urgent role to not only give voice to this resistance, but to work towards the construction of a genuinely sustainable and democratic communications environment.

Or as Jan van Toorn eloquently states:

Not questioning social responsibilities implies that you surrender to that sector of society that, because it possesses all our means of survival, manoeuvres design in the role of entrepreneurial aesthetics. Design, often regarded as autonomous activity, thereby functions more and more as an aesthetic legitimisation of the dominant ideology.

I won't be a party to that legitimisation. So fighting from within is pretty much out of the question for me. I don't think I have the stomach for it. Tibor KAlman did it very well, but I think he was a uniquely talented individual.

However fighting from without seems to me to be a viable option. Inkahoots, who were recently featured in Eye magazine, the Cactus Network, and Free Range Graphics provide excellent examples of politically engaged design as a viable, if at times trying , practice.

I believe that you shouldn't separate your personal politics from your work. However as Jonsel said:

I think my ideologies line up fairly well with what I'm doing. I serve other businesses in their pursuits. When I feel like they don't deserve my services, I'll cease to offer them. The reason I'm on my own is so I can have better opportunity to do just that.

I can't argue with that. That's exactly what I do. I probably just have a very different view of most businesses and corporate culture. So is it really a question of design then??? For some reason I still think it really is. I can't avoid feeling that designing IS inherently a political act. There is certainly a history of political design as there is a history of commercial design. Perhaps the fact that the political history is being effaced or simply unrecognised(in North America at the very least) is what draws me towards that side of the spectrum. But I still think its more than that.

Debbie brings up an interesting point by addressing the nature of the profession and perhaps the crux of the problem:

how can you avoid manipulating people with design? Design motivates, informs, inspires, challenges, angers, annoys, etc. Where does honest communication end and manipulative communication begin?

In my thesis I examine this and I propose that there are three formal and conceptual strategies that are dangerous or destructive:

a) separating an image/idea completely from its context

b) reducing that idea until it is overtly simplistic/meaningless

c) Blind idealisation of a product/idea

Obviously this is only a small part of it, but they are also extensions of the "put a thin, big boobed woman with our product" approach. And I think we can all agree that that's not "good" design. A thin line separates honesty from manipulation but finding that line is a good place to start.

I had written much more the first time round but my fingers are getting tired. I don't think all designers should try and push their politics through their work, I think that would be awful, but I also can't avoid the notion that the medium itself is political and political decisions are made every day and we should at least try and be a ware of it.

On Jun.13.2003 at 06:05 PM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

Tan, thats the heart of the problem:

being a good citizen means that you have to martyr yourself and live dirt poor. It shouldn't be that way, but views such as yours, encouraging design as a strictly commercial practice, help to create that kind of culture for design. It means less and less support for civic institutions. I live dirt poor and I suppose in a way I am giving my money to you. Enjoy it !

But I suppose I do question the ethical relevance of the music industry as well and I think the Britney Spears' of the world are as bad as "bad" design is. So I must just be stupid.

On Jun.13.2003 at 06:16 PM
Tan’s comment is:

No, I didn't mean to say that it's stupid to question the values of Britney Spears.

It may be studid to expect Britney to hold the same values as Norah Jones. And if they don't, well then it must be a symptom of the industry. That's what I'm saying is pointless thinking.

I admire the approach and ideologies of how you practice your craft. But it's not the only way, Kevin. And it doesn't mean that designers who don't make the same degree of sacrifice are any less worthy of the profession -- know what I mean?

Being a good citizen does NOT mean you have to be dirt poor. My point is that commerce and ideology are NOT related. It's just that many designers choose to correlate these two things -- and make judgement upon others who choose not to. You assume that since I design for commerce, I must believe in a certain ideology of social responsibility.

I want to point out that the largest contributor for civic institutions in our country is corporate donors. It's wrong of you to infer that design for commercialism leads to a devaluement of civic institutions. It's actually the opposite. Like it or not, one of the largest donor of public museums and arts groups in NYC is Philip Morris. So should all NY designers stop designing for public theatre and galleries because they get their money from cigarettes? It's not a black and white answer.

Kevin -- my music analogy also was meant to point out that an industry can support ideological pursuits as well as commercial pursuits. One does not negate the value of the other.

On Jun.13.2003 at 06:43 PM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

It's not a black and white answer.

agreed.

that an industry can support ideological pursuits as well as commercial pursuits. One does not negate the value of the other.

agreed.

My point is that commerce and ideology are NOT related.

Agree to disagree. Strongly.

But my disagreement with this really doesn't relate to design. And I suppose that is my question.

To quote myself:

I don't think all designers should try and push their politics through their work, I think that would be awful,

I didn't say all designers should work the way I do, but I do belive we should all live as fully as citizens as we can, but does the "profession" of design have any special reason for doing so any more than others? I have no idea really, but I do think that it occupies a pretty special position in society.

David Berman, a chairperson of the Graphic Designers of Canada(btw, I'm Canadian, not that it makes any difference) has an interesting presentation here, that is quite good until he starts using it to argue for accreditation. Which is a whole other discussion.

On Jun.13.2003 at 07:17 PM
Tan’s comment is:

> I didn't say all designers should work the way I do, but I do belive we should all live as fully as citizens as we can, but does the "profession" of design have any special reason for doing so any more than others? I have no idea really, but I do think that it occupies a pretty special position in society.

well said Kevin. I appreciate your viewpoints.

On Jun.13.2003 at 07:21 PM
eric’s comment is:

If Tan is going to surf on the hypocratic oath then there should be some come-uppance that MO is now actually Altria and that the biggest purveyor of arts funding in NYC is actually the Federal Government, with a close second to private interest.

but then, i aint got not ideals. just a black little heart and gullible hands.

I would like to say that any discussion that rejoins with, "No, I didn't mean to say that it's stupid to question the values of Britney Spears." If i could feed a slice of that sentence to Rudy, then that would make the whole Rant-ian experience sublime.

On Jun.13.2003 at 09:59 PM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

wow, just realised my horrible last posting. Gotta remember that preview button. Sorry about that.

The Society of Graphic Designers of Canada

David Berman's Presentation

More later when I'm actually conscious.

On Jun.14.2003 at 01:34 AM
Rudy’s comment is:

I just think life gets so much easier when you don’t have to separate your personal ideologies/politics from your professional work. But to do so does require saying NO once in a while to certain jobs. Some people are willing to take that risk, others don’t. It’s a life style choice.

But regardless of the life style you lead, design remains a political act. Anything you do that has an effect on other people is to some extent a political act. If, as a designer you decide not to work for a tobacco company because you think tobacco is bad for people, that’s a political act. If, on the other hand, you do decide to work for a tobacco company because you think that ultimately it’s the responsibility of the public to choose to smoke or not, that’s a political act as well. Design is not some benign, innocent, ineffectual undertaking. It has a major impact on people and the environment, and you can exploit that in a variety of ways, both good and bad.

Luumpo suggested that my “perception of designers is that they tend to be liberal, anti-capitalist, moral individuals.” Actually, I’m pretty sure that designers come in all kinds, despite the high number of black turtlenecks. But by the look of their work, and who they work for, I believe that the bulk of graphic designers are actually a rather conservative bunch who are quite happy maintaining the status quo. What suprises me is how outraged they become when somebody questions the status quo. This is what happened when First Things First was published. Why were graphic designers so up in arms about an ill-composed little tract if they are so confident that what they are doing is the right thing? Perhaps they feel trapped?

It was also suggested that I somehow believe that anything commercial or pro business is bad. What!? Where did that come from? You think Emigre is run on some kind of trust fund? Am I getting a bit too defensive? Time to check out.

Just one last thing: Sam, please drop the “Mr VanderLans.” You don’t have to rub it in. I’m feeling old enough as it is.

On Jun.14.2003 at 01:58 AM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

Rock on Rudy!

On Jun.14.2003 at 02:02 AM
graham’s comment is:

designers are the most conservative group of people i've come across. most of them couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, pull a whore in a brothel. their lack of interest and passion about film, music, painting, literature, jesus even the history of design (150 years? since the dawn of man? who cares!) has always totally fucking confused me; what passes for design criticism/writing is on the whole about as useful as a very thin stream of piss. the second 'first things first' (like 'final destination 2') was pony not because it caused fear and trembling but because it was exactly the kind of bum mud i'd expect from a bunch of people who wouldn't take a step towards you if you were bleeding in the street. safe, hidden behind words, names, lists of rights and wrongs. this is not life. design is a mucky raw thing that is alive and can fuck you and steal from you and leave you drugged and retching in the morning. so why do designers want to make an industry of it? with commitees? designers purporting to 'ideologically' stand against design by commitee actually volunteering of their own free will to be on design association commitees? fuck that. in the end it does my head in and makes me sad because when i meet these people i'd rather stick my head down a toilet but in the end those moments are fewer and fewer because i live for my family and the people i work with and the people who come into all that and the work i and my friends make, and design really has very little to do with it. take ideologies apart with your bare hands and thrown them down on the ground and rip the living heart from their pigeon little chest. ideology. thank god at least half the planet has spent as much of it's time as possible (not that it's resulted in much) ignoring that particular wretched word. conscience. what can you live with? what did you do at that moment, and that moment and that moment. always making the effort to be aware. not treating everyone and everything as equal but treating with things on their own terms, in their own circumstances. make a cigarette ad but give the whole fee to cancer research. find your own way, follow someone elses, but for fucks sake whatever you do find a way. the thing of it is that it is soft and a bit abstract and really about love in the end but that is the hardest (as in face punch hard) thing and if you don't believe that then you haven't lived yet. do you make work? good. make more, make it say something, put it out and we can decide. this act is more powerful than any manifesto could ever be; make work. make work. don't waste time.

On Jun.14.2003 at 03:55 AM
Rudy’s comment is:

Now that’s the kind of ideology that design is in need of! Thanks Graham.

On Jun.14.2003 at 10:15 AM
Sam’s comment is:

No rubbing-it-in intended, Rudy. By the standards the general design demographic, I ain't no spring chicken neither.

Ideology, can't live with it, can't live without it.

On Jun.14.2003 at 11:39 AM
Armin’s comment is:

It was also suggested that I somehow believe that anything commercial or pro business is bad. What!? Where did that come from?

No, I think that came from some other place, not from something you said Rudy.

On Jun.14.2003 at 11:51 AM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

Rock on Graham! Ok, I know I'm getting silly now and there's no alliteration there, but that was fucking amazing...

On Jun.14.2003 at 12:12 PM
Armin’s comment is:

Yeah! Rock on Kevin!

; )

On Jun.14.2003 at 12:17 PM
eric’s comment is:

Design is political?

I have been waiting all morning for Sam to respond to this in hopes that I wouldn’t have to.

Note to self: no more drunk posting.

On Jun.14.2003 at 01:33 PM
Rudy’s comment is:

Yes, as a way of determining and influencing people's actions, design is a political act.

On Jun.14.2003 at 03:05 PM
Armin’s comment is:

I love graham's passion, his way with words and I agree that it's all about love in the end.

My only question for you Graham would be regarding this "make more, make it say something." I would do a t-shirt with that slogan and wear it to work every day of the week but, let's take my case for example (and I'm asking this without an ounce of sarcasm,) how can I say something "personal" when clients are not asking for that? Like I said before, I put a 100% of myself in my work, but I never ever (if it's a client project) use it to say something personal because its not the place to do so. I believe strongly in the power design has, like Rudy said "as a way of determining and influencing people's actions" and I love that power, I love that what I can do can change a person's perceptions, reactions and even emotions. If I used every opportunity to "say something" I would be doing a disservice to my clients and that's not fair.

I guess my question is, how much can you say without using a client's project to serve your own ideology needs?

On Jun.14.2003 at 03:21 PM
brook’s comment is:

"He sees the work created by these liberal, anti-capitalist, moral individuals, and it doesn't add up. Anti-capitalists should not be crafting annual reports."

Luumpo-- This is an odd statement. Since when are liberals anti-capitalist? Socialists are anti-capitalists. I'm very liberal (we call it 'progressive' these days) and, in fact, like the idea of capitalism. They are not mutually exclusive. It isn't really working out perfectly well right now, as more than 90% of the wealth is in less than 10% of the population. It is still the best system around-in my opinion-that just needs to be tweaked for fairness. Corporations should serve the public interest. We should enforce anti-trust laws more adamantly. Elections should be publicly funded to avoid the influence of big money. Social programs and education need to be public and fully-funded. There should be no child in this country without health insurance.

Those are ideals that make me liberal, not hating business. Your work can and should be a big part of your life, even when you're working for 'the man.' I understand when Armin says how important his business is to him, he is passionate about it. He is also passionate about other things in his life, and that's great. I'm passionate about design and many other things. No one has to passionate about anything, do anything, say anything, express anything. It would just seem to be in someone's best interest to do so.

I think the perception of design being mostly a left-leaning group is largely due to who we are seeing in public. Maybe that group is more likely to be involved in aiga, or more likely to write. Maybe it is largely left-leaning. I'm not sure.

And damn right an anti-capitalist should not be crafting annual reports. Though it would be pretty funny.

"moral individuals"

I hope everyone is a moral individual. Even though everyone crafts their own definition!

On Jun.14.2003 at 05:52 PM
eric’s comment is:

Politiking.

I would like to believe you because in that system, a sort-of Mandlebrot flapping of one’s design wings effecting creating some causal hurricane, but I don’t think it’s as simple as casting every decision or choice as being political. Am I political when I’m alone?

In the way of making choices and going left when I could go right and calling that a �vote’ -- I would agree with you excepting that describing the world in such militant terms seems like a quixotic way to ease the difficulty of how complicated,inessential and arbirtrary a lot of our decisions are.

Rudy, do you see �migré as less of a discourse in design and more about dogma? You make an elegant case above, but I’m not ready to concede that aesthetics is politics. It suffices as a necessary tool in propaganda but in itself is inert. It starts to become a “guns kill/don’t kill people” kind of argument. Design is the messenger not the message.

Per my understanding of your usage i would offer that Marketing and Advertising are a political endeavors. But in " determining and influencing people's actions" I am more optimistic about the audience's ability for self determinant activity.

On Jun.14.2003 at 06:23 PM
graham’s comment is:

armin-tried to answer your question in a number of ways and end up deleting but here's a few things-what you're saying is what i mean i.e. understanding what you're doing and why. just having any kind of thought about what it is you do and why you might be doing it is probably 100% more thought than a lot of the monkeys i've encountered. i don't believe anyone has to believe in any one way, one thing, especially not in design-but believe something and either we'll have some chat and get on because we agree or we'll rend each others flesh tearing hair because we don't or we'll agree to disagree in a respectful type of way. too much middle at the moment-a soft arrogance, pinchy supercillious wankery gathered tucked in representing speaking for; i'd like to think there as many ways of doing design as there are people doing it, learning, experiencing, understanding. couple of points; i don't think saying something means necessarily saying something 'personal'-that stuff tends to tossery of the first water. also, i'm not really talking about personal ideologies inserted into work that can't bear their weight-after all, we are designers and if want to make our slogan on a t-shirt we can get out and do it. (which might be what i mean-lets try and use our powers for good! with great power comes great responsibility! DO NOT MAKE ME DESTROY YOU!) before i go off on one i better try and answer you;

I guess my question is, how much can you say without using a client's project to serve your own ideology needs?

it depends on the client. ha! no-absolutely-what is the starting point of a client/working relationship? lots of answers to that one, as many as there are projects-but the first cause is prob. some kind of folder from college. o.k. what kind of work was in that? what work did you show to the first person you wanted to work with? how did you choose that person? why did they want to work with you? and on and on until you're eighty and sometimes you've done the right thing and sometimes not-but yes-it depends on the client; but that depends on why the client is wanting you to work for them in the first place. i don't really have any needs to place ideologies in client work but my experience and understanding of my life at least is what leads the way i work; in case this sounds overwrought, i mean this in totally literal and simple terms-nothing clever-it's just about being human and as i said before treating each situation as far as you can on it's own terms. reacting, acting, and, yes, making work. because there's always the work one makes for oneself-you know, the stuff that forms the underpinning for all ones commercial work, the seeds, the stuff that gets clients interested, the stuff that actually enables one to make work in a comissioned sense. again-the question-my own experience is from being asked to do something because they want entirely a point of view, my point of view, all the way to the other extreme and most things in-between, so i can't and will never be dogmatic about it. but after so many words and so many more in my head it is very very simple and is one thing; conscience.

On Jun.15.2003 at 02:10 AM
Armin’s comment is:

To paraphrase Kevin: Rock on Graham!

I hear what you are saying now, and I like it.

On Jun.15.2003 at 11:25 AM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

> Since when are liberals anti-capitalist? Socialists are anti-capitalists

Just to throw all ideologies and labels into the fire, while I was in Hong Kong last year, I heard the term "Communist-Capitalism" being used to describe China's new direction in economic policy. Seriously.... is this world fucked up or what?????

On Jun.15.2003 at 12:43 PM
Sam’s comment is:

In the Book Club discussion, Dan said: "in design we hold an incredibly powerful tool in our society/culture."

I'd like to challenge this statement (in a friendly way, of course) over here where we're talking about values. Rather I'd challenge the general idea that it is designers who are wielding the power of their tools in culture or in the marketplace. It seems rather plain to me that it is our clients who hold the power because they ultimately hold the purse. The work we designers do goes out into the world once the client has signed off of the design, the copy, the production budget, the media placement, all of it. Whatever work we do of our own volition and our own creation, it's my pessimistic view, does not have the same strength of vibility and voice, or influence on culture. Media saturation is more powerful than any design tool.

So then if you want to wield the power of design for your owns ends, what are your options? Leafletting, postering, a website--the formats are all available. We have the skills to make something. What are we going to make? What do we want to exercise this supposed powerful tool in service of? John Bielenberg made Virtual Telemetrix. Shawn Wolfe made Beatkit. (To go outside the field, Barry Levinson made "Wag the Dog" and Michael Moore (say what you will) is doing his thing.) As smart and insightful and good and necessary as these projects are, would anyone say they're powerful tools in society? Put a Virtual Telemetrix ad on the Super Bowl and then we can talk.

On Jun.15.2003 at 10:48 PM
brook’s comment is:

I agree it all seems so overwhelming, that we are quite inconsiquential. Along with what you said, we do have some power in determining who we will work for. Though there will always be someone else.

On Jun.16.2003 at 07:58 AM
Tan’s comment is:

I believe in advocacy. Find out how your local/state/federal govt. really works -- and participate where you can, whether it's just with a vote or more proactive measures. Have you ever been to a city council meeting? Do you belong on your local business association? Urban planning committee? Most civic organizations/associations are open to the public to attend and/or participate.

I also believe in community involvement. AIGA is not the end all. I serve on 2 other local non-profit boards that have nothing to do with design. But that's where as a designer, I can bring more insight and value.

I believe in teaching others. The most effective way I've found to share my thoughts and values is to share my experiences with others, one on one. Teaching at a couple of local colleges allows me the chance to do mess up the minds of an entirely new class of designers. Try it if you can -- it's a blast.

It's great to think globally -- but you can 'wield the power of design' on a much smaller scale. Then, it won't feel so inconsequential. And it won't feel like you always need to leverage your client's work to express your values.

On Jun.16.2003 at 09:11 AM
brook’s comment is:

right on, tan. also, as far as design activism goes, volunteer for (gasp!) aiga. i serve on two committees. one is Design Green, the other is the largest aiga student event in the country (i think). both are pretty rewarding, and not what comes to mind for many of you when aiga is brought up.

On Jun.16.2003 at 09:17 AM
Darrel’s comment is:

Portfolio 1on1 is certainly a good event. I admittedly had fun when on the committee a few years ago (still had a tough time getting the concept of interactive media through, but I digress...)

Anyways, way too many long posts in here. I can't keep up. Must bow out...

On Jun.16.2003 at 09:32 AM
Sam’s comment is:

I did volunteer a couple years ago for an AIGA event--a 2-day Design History conference of sorts. But it didn't accomplish what I'm talking about, for the obvious reason that whatever power was wielded by my microphone-holding and giving-of-directions benefitted only the design community. I meanto to ask about wielding power outside of that.

On Jun.16.2003 at 09:39 AM
Sam’s comment is:

It always comes back to volunteering. Somehow this indicates to me that we're not getting anywhere.

Who has the power?

On Jun.16.2003 at 09:44 AM
jonsel’s comment is:

Who has the power?

He-Man?

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:19 AM
Kevin Lo’s comment is:

I recently came across this Social Design Notes blog. Though not specifically relating to graphic design, he posts regular, in-depth, well-written articles on the relevance of design and technology on our social and political lives. Its a really interesting site with some great content if you're questioning the relevance of design.

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:27 AM
jonsel’s comment is:

Seriously, I think the role of power unfortunately comes down to an old saying about freedom of the press: it is held by those that own one.

It may not be as simplistic as that, but it's not as equal as government checks and balances. In the end, the client is the one who makes the decision whether or not to publish our work. If you want to change from within, you very often have to do it yourself and front the costs. That's how Emigre exists, or at least how they began. Rudy cuts out the middle man; he's his own client. Very rarely are you going to be handed the soap box AND the keys to the control room.

Volunteering can have an effect, but you have to do it at the right level. Tan serving on boards is effective. Sam handing out flyers and pointing you to your seat it less so.

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:35 AM
graham’s comment is:

snap (remember them?)

depends what kind of power, and to do what with-if you mean the power to publish, then we're all doing that in here now, and that's not so much about power as it is inclination and effort. sam- i'm sure you're not meaning bigger is better here (giant screens suspended from dirigibles floating in the stratosphere with 'why can't we all just get along' flashing 24/7)-great oaks grow from small seeds or something like that . . . i'm not sure what you're getting at (no sarcasm or anything intended)-mainly because as i said before there is a sort of little power inherent in understanding how things get printed, for example, and that enables us if we wish to get messages out and lots of people do and i think they have an effect. in the scheme of things these efforts can and do add up and have an effect-for example i know of a film made for a charity by a designer that directly caused someone to build an orphange. lots of things like that happen. conversely, as previously noted, look at the ballot papers in the last u.s. election. they were designed.

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:36 AM
Michael S’s comment is:

I've only skimmed the Social Design Notes site, but it looks phenomenal - great post Kevin!

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:40 AM
graham’s comment is:

jonsel said-If you want to change from within, you very often have to do it yourself and front the costs.

yes yes yes. get favours from people, work with them, collaborate, use the things you do everyday to help make the things you can only do every so often-i saw a website recently, a sculptors work, monumental land sculpture, and most of the pics were photoshop images of what the pieces would look like if you wanted to buy them-you bought the construction of the object and the object itself. inspiring, simple-publishing.

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:41 AM
rebecca’s comment is:

It always comes back to volunteering. Somehow this indicates to me that we're not getting anywhere.

That's what happens when you separate your professional life from your politics. Doing "political" work becomes a side project.

On Jun.16.2003 at 10:49 AM
Sam’s comment is:

I don't quite mean bigger is better, Graham, but I am talking (er, trying to) about having an influence outside of design. For that reason, volunteering for the AIGA or publishing Emigre--very worthy undertakings, don't get me wrong--are narrow, or specific. Dan used the word "tools" and yes, we have powerful tools. But.

It's just that there's some kind of dissonance between the way designers talk on the one hand about the glory of design (the power of communication, the wonderful opportunity to create meaning, etc etc) and the reality of most (most, not all) design work, which is in the service of clients and their messages.

Okay, here's the thing that's bugging me--it's disingenuous. It's ballyhoo. It's unnecessarily grandiose. Imagine me saying to my mom, "I created a unified brand message across myriad media for the creation of a sense of purpose and identity." You did what? she says. "Well, I made a logo," I say sheepishly.

Forget for the moment the jargon we use. That's not the issue. It's the psychology of making claims to power. That's as far as I can figure now, but it's been rattling around in my head for a long time. It seems like there's a lot of it at all levels of the profession.

(I'm going on vacation on Friday, so I'm getting all my angst out now.)

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:00 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Graham, what is snap?

Thanks for the link, Kevin, both this one and the earlier ones. Great resources.

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:01 AM
brook’s comment is:

Relating to volunteering, personal projects, etc: There was a great program on NPR a little while back about amateurism.

One thing it pointed out is that the definition of amateur has come to mean doing something without financial compensation.

It once meant doing something simply because you love to do it.

This says something about our society, though I won't venture to say exactly what that is.

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:01 AM
armin’s comment is:

>I'm going on vacation on Friday, so I'm getting all my angst out now.

Yeah, I don't want none of that in my house.

>Imagine me saying to my mom, "I created a unified brand message across myriad media for the creation of a sense of purpose and identity."

You should write that on your next Mother's Day card.

>It's the psychology of making claims to power.

So do you believe that it's all in our (designers) head? That outside our closed little circle nobody gives a damn? That we elevate our efforts because nobody else will? Is that what you are saying?

Because I could agree.

As I have said before, we must begin by exuding this "importance" ourselves, if we don't do it, nobody else will that's for sure.

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:12 AM
graham’s comment is:

sam-snap were a band who did a song called 'i've got the power'. i was joining in with the he-man thing but by the time i posted . . .it wasn't that funny.

as far as your response-yes. i know what you mean. absolutely agreed. but i do think-believe-hope there is design out there that does it's job i.e. communicates to someone and they respond by acting, understanding, misunderstanding, thinking. i've got to get on with work but i think you're right but i also think there's other ways, other means, simpler, about talking to people whether they're a client or a friend or someone who responds to work and cutting through the bullshit.

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:18 AM
Sam’s comment is:

Now I've got "I've got the power" stuck in my head!!!

And I think-believe-hope pretty much the same thing, Graham, but it comes back around, for me, to the tough questions and honesty. It's difficult to be bluntly honest about what design work is; it's difficult to be humble if you feel like the rest of the world doesn't appreciate the work you do. And yet, humility is a real source of strength and a real path to respect.

I'm not so much of the exuding importance method, Armin, with all due respect. If no one else perceives the imprtance of design...maybe they're right? (I shudder to think.) Then again, there may be something to Steven Tyler's dictum, "Fake it til you make it."

I dunno. I jest dunno.

On Jun.16.2003 at 11:27 AM
graham’s comment is:

sam-some experiences i've . . . experienced. no claims made for the quality of work.

a couple of years ago i made a book of photos and words from a story i wrote. we funded it ourselves, organised a distributor, and were reasonably sure we would at least break even. it came out and disappeared (like most of the work i do that i think is good, the response tended towards 'oh. that's nice.' yawns. looks at watch. wanders away.) this year, an advertising agency got in touch-the creative director had seen the book and wanted me to do something like it, as a film, for a client. which is what i'm doing now.

there's a band i've been a bit into (the best band ever to have existed ever) for about 20 years. i got to know them over time, and a couple of years ago got a phone call about would i do the packaging for their retrospective. this was probably the job that was the reason i got into design in the first place.

i've just been doing some work for a large multi-national corporation-the kind of thing you talk about in your 'unified brand message' thing. it's been a lot of work, and the likelihood is that none of it will be seen because it's all exploratory and that.

of the three examples, the last one is probably the one that could get me more work, gain me status etc. in certain terms, be one of these 'tweaky' things that gets huge attention etc. and i know i will never be able to show it in any form.

causes, effects. where things come from, where they're going.

i don't think i'll ever know.

On Jun.17.2003 at 02:13 AM