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MOVE — But, Where?
Guest Editorial by Dyske Suematsu

AIGA’s conference for motion graphics, entitled “MOVE—Stories in Motion”, was thought-provoking in unexpected ways. The choice of speakers and the way they were juxtaposed revealed the intricate psychology of our industry. I was sitting in one of the side balconies of the auditorium. Looking over the entire crowd from a distance enhanced the feeling of being an observer of this community.

The first day of the two-day conference was rather painful. Many of the presenters were ill prepared. As my friend pointed out to me, they were purposefully so. My interpretation is as follows. They belong to what I call “the cult of cool.” They would not take the risk of being sincere and failing because it is much safer to act like they don’t care and fail. As an audience, this is a painful and frustrating thing to sit through for hours, and ultimately insulting since we paid for it. Granted, not all talented graphic designers are good speakers nor are good at explaining what they do, but if that is the case, the least they could do is to prepare for it by writing down what they want to say beforehand. Naturally, they would not look “cool” on stage reading from a script, but at least they would not waste people’s time, and the audience would see that they are being sincere by doing the best they can. If they truly did not care, they should not accept the assignment.

This type of attitude is ubiquitous in our industry, especially among young designers, and more specifically in broadcast design which is itself a young (and in many ways immature) industry. On the one hand, young broadcast designers spend enormous time and energy into creating something that would be noticed, but on the other, when the time comes to receive recognition for what they have done, they act like they don’t care. They love to be recognized, but they hate to admit it. Most of us designers are guilty of this hypocrisy and pretense; it is a phase most of us go through in our twenties. I am no exception.

The whole music video industry is founded on this premise. Twenty-somethings have an inherent need to be noticed and make their marks in society. The older people who run the record labels are aware of this and take advantage of their insecurity. The labels’ need to promote something cheaply and young designers’ need to be noticed at any cost is a perfect symbiotic relationship. Among the presenters who belong to the cult of cool, music videos were their most proud accomplishments. They all admitted that there was little or no money in those projects.

The afternoon session of the next day was a stark contrast to what preceded it. The fine artist Golan Levin presented his experimental audio-visual work. He creates moving imagery using only algorithmic processes of his own, no pre-existing artwork. It is equivalent to creating your own versions of Photoshop and After Effects. The intelligence, the sincerity, and the artistic substance of his work were undeniably clear to everyone. There were a lot of hands clapping during the presentation, and at the end of his presentation, he received the biggest applaud by far. What won the audience over, I believe, was the fact that his work looked nothing like anything anyone has done in the broadcast design business. From the perspective of someone who struggles daily to come up with something even slightly new and different, this is an incredible feat. We realized how much we are limited by the tools we use.

Also, what probably moved a lot of people besides me was Levin’s courage to pursue something that may never lead to money. In our business, many of us do take a lot of risks, but we do so with the hope that we become financially successful someday. Even those who claim that they don’t care about money would have to admit to the degree to which they do care about money when they see someone like Golan Levin. In other words, he represented someone we could be if we truly did not care about money, instead of being, for instance, a mere tool for the record company executives.

After Levin, we watched the films of Oskar Fischinger who was pursuing something similar to Levin several decades ago. Before they rolled the video, the host Peter Hall explained the difficult circumstances in which Fischinger created these films. Again we were reminded of what it means to truly take risks for the sake of art. Fischinger and Levin had a humbling effect on the entire audience, which was confirmed by Paul Matthaeus of Digital Kitchen, the last presenter of the conference. The opening remark to his speech was, “Bad news. I’m not as smart as Golan Levin.”

After the Fischinger films, we had Geordie Stephens from Crispin Porter & Bogusky, an advertising agency known for their creative thinking. This presentation highlighted the peculiar group mentality of so-called “creative business.” To the audience, Crispin Porter & Bogusky represented a group to which all of us want to belong. Regardless of whether you actually felt that or not, it was implied not only by the content of his presentation, but also by the choice of the speaker itself.

Stephens began his presentation with a story of how he ended up at his current job. He depicted the advertising people in general to be stupid. He knew that there had to be a place where truly intelligent people worked together. The answer obviously was Crispin Porter & Bogusky. The unspoken message here is: “I know you want to be part of us. If not, I’ll make you want to.” It wasn’t just Stephens who played with this high-school psychology; most presenters representing their groups did the same, except perhaps Paul Matthaeus of Digital Kitchen who clearly explained the different positioning his company took, as opposed to simply presenting themselves as someone different because they are better than others. Stephens even had to rub it in that his company didn’t need to do much pitch work anymore because their clients just come to them, crying for help.

In our business we see many people play with this group psychology. Many designers would feel naked if they were stripped of their association with a group or a company. There is a famous story of Attik, who used to be a big player in broadcast design, where they had all of their employees wear the same slick clothing at a BDA conference. The hidden motive behind it was to make people feel jealous of them being part of Attik. Now that Attik is no longer a player, it seems like a joke, and everyone laughs about it.

Many people in so-called creative business are motivated by this type of group psychology. They either want to belong to a prestigious group, or want to start one of their own. The latter being the dream scenario for most. Having others want to belong to their group, becomes the ultimate reward and satisfaction for them. The self-congratulatory books by Pentagram, for instance, are physical evidence of it.

When you are motivated by something as superficial as this, hypocrisy becomes evident in one form or another. Crispin Porter & Bogusky proudly presented their work for Truth where they accused tobacco companies for killing thousands of people a day. But it was followed by their campaign for Burger King. They are helping a company that produces products that actually kill more people by making them overweight and obese, than smoking does. So much for standing on a higher moral ground. I felt like making a commercial where a team of people unload thousands of oversized body bags in front of Crispin Porter & Bogusky. Personally I don’t believe in blaming corporations for this type of issues (I advocate individuals to take their own responsibilities for their own actions, and encourage young people to do so, instead of teaching them that it’s OK to squarely blame their own misjudgments on corporations.), but the hypocrisy of the Truth spot bothered me deeply. I should also mention that Stephens talked proudly about how they helped boost sales for Budweiser.

I am glad that the conference ended with Paul Matthaeus of Digital Kitchen. As noted by his humility of his opening statement, he explained matter-of-factly what his company does creatively as well as business-wise. It was sincere and informative. After all, what we do is business. It is when we pretend as though it is something beyond that we start to become hypocritical and pretentious, and we end up doing things that are ultimately irrelevant. This is the greatest thing I learned from the whole conference. It allowed me to see our industry for what it is. The choice of speakers, its unexpected variety, allowed me to see it in proper context. In our business, we are easily seduced by these plays of psychological forces. Our business itself is not any more evil, immoral, or superficial than, say, accounting, teaching, or farming. Just because some are, does not mean that all are. It has its own function in our society. At the same time, it is not any more noble, creative, or valuable either. Because of the high profile nature of our trade, we often get a wrong idea about who we are and what we do. To be relevant in our society, it is important to have a healthy perspective on one’s own industry. This conference allowed me to do that.

Dyske (“Dice-Kay”) Suematsu is a graphic designer based in New York City. He spent half of his life in Japan and the other in the US. He is quite opinionated and writes a lot of what his wife calls “Jibba-Jabba”. His personal site is dyske.com and his business site can be found at dyske.com/design/.

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Comments
Ben Hagon’s comment is:

Great post Dyske. Sounds like an interesting conference, and the closing paragraph is very useful. About as profound as design criticism gets.

On May.02.2005 at 12:30 PM
Bradley’s comment is:

Great review.

Over the weekend, after I got home one night I pulled Bruce Mau's Life Style off of my bookshelf and perused it for a bit--in his incomplete manifesto, there's a piece of advice that I've always liked: "don't be cool. Cool is conservative fear dressed in black." The cult of cool is unfortunate because it gets a lot of talented, able people to waste their time on shit that doesn't matter. That schtick with Attik? It was like five years ago. That's hardly any time at all, but in our psychotically insecure society, we treat it as being "forever." We like shiny objects. We like famous people. We equate fame with ability, intelligence, and value. Silly. Silly silly silly. I read "Good to Great" by Jim Collins recently, and that gave me a whole new perspective on this cult of personality crapola. The companies who achieve lasting greatness are guided by passion and principle, not following around some "guru" who loves seeing himself in photographs.

Sadly, we are a fashion-obsessed culture and its no surprise that a lot of this comes to a head in the so-called "creative" industry. Its a transient business though, and what's hot today is often forgotten in a matter of months. Its a viscious speed cycle, but those who win marathons never start off sprinting. Five years from now, there will likely be another conference of this variety, and doubtless it will be populated by folks you've never heard of today. What will have happened to the more arrogant, self-important little shits of the present day conference? Will they have retired from the vast sums of money they raked in? Or will they have grown up and realized that there's more to this business than getting hot little 21 year old college students lusting after you?

Avoid being recycled. This business will chew you up and use you as fertilizer for more impressionable minds so that it can repeat the process. Don't fall into that trap. If you haven't read Good to Great, do so. It proves that buying into this cult-of-personality shit is note only wasteful, but destructive over the long haul. And think about how change and growth actually happen. If you want to get groupies, become a rockstar.

On May.02.2005 at 12:56 PM
Scott Stowell’s comment is:

I think I went to a slightly different conference.

The first day of the two-day conference was rather painful. Many of the presenters were ill prepared. As my friend pointed out to me, they were purposefully so. My interpretation is as follows. They belong to what I call “the cult of cool.” They would not take the risk of being sincere and failing because it is much safer to act like they don’t care and fail.

The first speaker, Keira Alexandra (full disclosure: a friend and colleague of mine) gave one of the most inspiring talks I've ever seen. She showed a body of well-conceived and beautifully-executed work tied together with a clear and surprising methodology. Plus, the format of the talk was an experiment that played with the audience's expectations. Perfect.

As for the other speakers, I think Keith Stichweh from Pixar and Paul Marino + Katie Salen both fell into the category of "being sincere" (and possibly failing)--they used disappointingly traditional PowerPoint presentations but talked about fascinating things. And you may have not liked Friends With You, but they were nothing if not well-prepared.

I am glad that the conference ended with Paul Matthaeus of Digital Kitchen. As noted by his humility of his opening statement, he explained matter-of-factly what his company does creatively as well as business-wise. It was sincere and informative. After all, what we do is business.

I am a huge fan of Digital Kitchen. They are very smart and make amazing things. But (in my opinion) this talk was not good: it started with a standard showreel and ended with a new-business pitch tape for an fairly Orwellian product called "brandtheatre." The whole thing came across as pure self-promotion, right down to the promo reprints I found in my goody bag.

It is when we pretend as though it is something beyond that we start to become hypocritical and pretentious, and we end up doing things that are ultimately irrelevant. This is the greatest thing I learned from the whole conference.

I think I learned just the opposite: that the traditional client/designer relationship can be turned inside out. From Friends With You to PES and MK12 to Golan Levin, we saw people doing what they believe in and having fun doing it--and getting paid to do so. This is not hypocritical, pretentious or irrelevant; it is inspiring.

On May.02.2005 at 02:14 PM
Bradley’s comment is:

Okay, but here's the thing: where are we going, and what are we trying to accomplish? If the answer is something along the lines of getting lots of people to worship at our feet or take home cute little award statues, then I think we've got a problem. I've always been grossed out by the duality of the elitism of designers, contrasted with the unofficial "liberal/democratic" position they take. I'll never forget the posters a bunch of NYC designers did for the various democratic presidential candidates in the NY Times Magazine--self-involved shit at best. What's more important? The politicians and their policies, or election posters? You can learn so damn much from thinking about the basic rules of typography--the guts is all that matters. Does the on-air identity of the Sundance Channel mean a goddamn thing, compared to the films they run? NO. Where does Crispin Porter (an agency I have praised on this site frequently) get off by attacking cigarettes and then promoting fatty foods and alcohol? I mean, shit, do what Gyro in Philadelphia does (wantonly advertising cigarettes and other vice products without feeling the need to defend themselves) and forget the artificial posturing. It looks like the AV nerds from high school getting their delusional revenge. Who here saw Romy & Michelle's High School Reunion?

Mr. Suematsu in this review is getting beyond the guts of a conference and into much more interesting affairs. Design is not the only thing that matters--consider Bain & Co., for instance, who can empirically demonstrate that their clients achieve returns three times greater than the market. Is a spiffy annual report or a few fru-fru TV commercials complete with nifty logo animations going to do that?

I still find it very interesting that some of the most respected companies, and companies who deliver unusual returns on investments don't necessarily have the greatest creative work associated with them. More of them do now, but regardless, its something you HAVE to think about if you're going to accomplish anything. I remember some author defining bad writing as "writing that deflects your attention away from the ideas and towards the language and techniques." Same with design. Shit design gets you looking at the structure of the design. Good design fosters conversation about things that actually matter, to the point that the poster that start the dialogue fades from view.

So I ask, what's the motivation? If its to be the envy of the cheerleaders, fine. Pursue that. If its to DO something, change minds, build companies, redefine things...maybe searching for the shiny objects isn't the best idea. Aesop was onto something with that whole deal with the tortoise.

On May.02.2005 at 02:43 PM
Gunnar Swanson’s comment is:

Burger King. They are helping a company that produces products that actually kill more people by making them overweight and obese, than smoking does. So much for standing on a higher moral ground.

Where does Crispin Porter (an agency I have praised on this site frequently) get off by attacking cigarettes and then promoting fatty foods and alcohol? I mean, shit, do what Gyro in Philadelphia does (wantonly advertising cigarettes and other vice products without feeling the need to defend themselves)

What impressive sophistry. One could argue about whether specific policies of food and alcohol companies promote unhealthy use of their products but there is no healthy use of cigarettes. When used properly they kill people.

If a drug store sells cold medicine—used by some for dangerous and self-destructive purposes—should they just be honest and sell heroine to twelve year olds? This is the ethical version of that cowardly detachment you blamed the speakers for.

On May.02.2005 at 04:12 PM
debbie millman’s comment is:

>What impressive sophistry.

Thank you, Gunnar. I couldn't agree more. Frankly, I have issues with this whole post.

First of all, while I think it is noble to offer a review of any public endeavor, unless it is a review that balances opinion with facts, then I am not sure it is truly an honest or worthwhile endeavor.

Second, as someone who did not go to the conference but has heard much about it, I find it odd that things that were most talked about, ie Keira Alexander's presentation or the Friends Without You presentation (complete with fireworks on stage, security guards coming out, NYU people panicking, general chaos, etc) were completely ignored (left out?) in this review.

Finally, albeit prejudiced (being on the AIGA NY Chapter board), I can't help but feel sad that after all the blood, sweat and tears that went into this conference by the conference committee (I was not on the committe, btw) was essentially marginalized by a few comments like "If they truly did not care, they should not accept the assignment" or "They would not take the risk of being sincere and failing because it is much safer to act like they don’t care and fail."

The presenters did care. I can say this not because I was there (again, I was not) but because I know how much work went into the presentations as well as the choosing of the presenters in the first place, and the true passion and energy that went into creating the conference overall. There was nothing "purposely painful" pre-meditated, if the presenters did not have the skill of Tony Robbins or Larry King, one would hope that this could be forgiven if the work spoke for itself. Which in this case, I firmly believe it did. I prefer substance over style any day of the week. Perhaps the presenters didn't "read from a script" in an effort to be more sincere, more engaged with the audience (it is rather hard to make eye contact with an audience while reading) and more natural. If you are only evaluating the presentations by the way the presenters performed, then I am afraid you're missing an awful lot. To quote Ani DiFranco, "When I look down, I miss all the good stuff, when I look up I trip over things."

This type of attitude is ubiquitous in our industry, especially among young designers....

*sigh*

On May.02.2005 at 05:02 PM
Bradley’s comment is:

Reasonable response, Gunnar. I've never supported any of the lawsuits that basically said "McDonald's made me terribly overweight." At the same time, there's really nothing beneficial about fast food, and there's no moral high ground to be claimed by CP+B here regardless of the fact that a whopper won't automatically kill you. Not to split hairs, but if I had a cigarette once a week or something, I probably wouldn't get lung cancer. Anyway, they're behaving like a professional agency--offering their services to those who pay them. Nothing wrong with that. But by taking that approach, you forfeit all rights to claim any sort of moral righteousness for anything you do. Was the Truth campaign intended to attack an evil industry? Or was it to win awards and garner clients to make more money for the agency? I honestly don't care, its not for any of us to judge--but don't bullshit about it.

Dyske's topic is a good one to discuss, if it would actually be discussed and thought about. This is a self-congratulating industry, egocentric and self-absorbed in many, many ways.

I dunno. Crap like this reminds me of why I love designing but why the industry just makes me ill. It's so goddamn parasitic.

On May.02.2005 at 05:33 PM
Bart’s comment is:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Burker King ad this post mentions for Burker King's salads and their chicken sandwiches, which aren't exactly going to send you to the hospital?

I'm disappointed at how little this post refers to the content of the conference, which there was plenty of. This year was so much better than last year and I've never seen such unanimous applause from the audience at any other AIGA event. Plus Golan Levin was just mind-blowing and was worth the conference rate alone.

On May.02.2005 at 06:00 PM
emily’s comment is:

oy vey, again.

I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with Debbie, Scott and now Bart.

Lots land lots of work went into this event and the people who put it together were only hoping to entertain and enlighten their audience with work that most people have not seen:

Peter Hall's comments were insightful and delightful. Keira's presentation had three supporting cast members and used three screens (clearly it was well thought out) and smart and funny as well. FWY was very prepared - even if you didn't want to be friends with them. Golan was brilliant. Pes has beautiful low tech work to counter MK12's computer generated stuff. DK was very slick (perhaps too slick as Scott points out). Machinima was a new way to look at something we're all getting used to. CP + B may be a little morally slippery, but they're smart and I'm glad advertising was represented. The choices for the interstitial were beautiful, historical and interesting. All of that adds up to one very diverse, fascinating and well thought out conference!

Perhaps I too am prejudiced (former AIGA/NY president) though I don't think I am (there have been plenty of AIGA events I have been critical of) but I WAS there and though not all the speakers were my cup of tea most of them were at least interesting to hear, and some were inspiring and jaw droppingly creative. There was a good energy in the room.

It is disheartening to read yet another thread that devolves into griping about some small tangent of the event as opposed to the event itself. Especially when that event was mostly great, inspiring and worth it.

On May.02.2005 at 06:39 PM
Gunnar Swanson’s comment is:

Anyway, they're behaving like a professional agency--offering their services to those who pay them. Nothing wrong with that. But by taking that approach, you forfeit all rights to claim any sort of moral righteousness for anything you do.

You mean people who, say, sell auto insurance policies to people who can afford cars are automatically sub-whores who can do no good for the world so are not due credit when they spend their evenings tutoring kids in reading? People who mow lawns are greedy bastards who don’t rate a “thanks” if they mow the local Little League field for free?

I’m so glad that you’ve escaped the commercial taint that soils all of us who have forfeited any moral standing.

On May.02.2005 at 07:31 PM
Armin’s comment is:

>It is disheartening to read yet another thread that devolves into griping about some small tangent of the event as opposed to the event itself. Especially when that event was mostly great, inspiring and worth it.

As an arbiter, purveyor and sometimes executor of small-tangent, gripe-devolving discussions I would like to say that, in this matter, just because the event was very well put together and hefty amounts of effort went into ensuring everybody had a good time and a good bang for their buck it does not mean that it is exempt of critique.

Dyske's review focuses on an aspect he — and, clearly, Bradley — finds troublesome about the profession and is using MOVE as a launching pad for his argument. A valid exercise. It just happens that some of the speakers — despite their bestest of intentions —�were not to his liking. A critique of speakers is also valuable as feedback for future conferences. If one thing is crystal clear in our profession is that people who do great work are not necessarily the best speakers. Speaking is performing. You need to put on a show. For a portfolio reel I can go online and check it out. I also know first hand how easy it is to give a bad presentation. Regardless of how much I downplayed my bad show at AIGA Y, it actually was a bad one. I prepared for it three months in advance, I skipped lunches to go film designers, I spent endless hours editing and when it came time for the show, I did not deliver. Yes, the intentions were amazing, but attendees are not paying for intentions and are not sitting in frigid rooms to hear good intentions gone bad.

So — to sum up the above — unlike Emily (former AIGA NY president), Debbie (current AIGA board member) and Scott (unending supporter of AIGA NY) I (upcoming AIGA NY board member) don't feel that events like these should not be subject to an individual's critique — based on said individual's opinions and preferences, which happen to differ from some — simply because they took effort to put together.

If we all wanted a glistening review of MOVE I could have easily asked for one and gotten one from one of the many attendees or presenters. I am sure that a high percentage enjoyed themselves and learned something — even Dyske learned something — so if a review had come in positively from another source it would have simply been another self-congratulatory — and I don't mean that as demeaning as it sounds — review. The kind of stuff that makes Bradley ill.

So we come full circle in this discussion — except for the BK/Truth discussion, that, I'm staying out of. If we can't look at a conference critically — and I sincerely believe Dyske's review was critical and not meant as an attack on anyone or anyone's efforts — then all we have is tedious cycle of designer on designer appraisal. I am, by no means, taking sides… okay, I am, maybe… but let's not be so quick to file this under angry designer lashes out at design community despite efforts to make this designer's community better category.

On May.02.2005 at 10:29 PM
Kris A’s comment is:

As an admitted conference junky, I thoroughly enjoyed the conference. While I'm not a Motion Designer, the conference was still able to reach me with the importance and direction of the industry. It was inspiring to see the various subcultures of motion represented. Who knew that you could make your Mist III warriors dance like that? Or that chairs could have such an interesting daylife. Everyone's been right about Golan. Both he and Joshua Davis (who spoke at the Ideas Conference, and does similar mind bending tricks with a bit of programming) are completely inspiring and caused no minor amount of jaw dropping and a bit of a clapping extraveganza.

All in all, I'm glad that the AIGA/NY presented more ideas and client based knowledge in their conference. Other conferences are out there to fill our that techophile need. oops forgot that Mac and Apple presented. {:

Perhaps we should be asking if the conference satisfied our needs as a creative industry. Did it push the envelop or just lick the sticky stuff?

When I go to a conference, I want to see something that just shreds my understanding of design and makes me want to be better at what I do.

or is that too much to ask?

On May.02.2005 at 11:59 PM
Dyske’s comment is:

I’d like to clarify a few things. I had no intension of implying that the conference itself was worthless. Quite the opposite. I am glad I went. As I said, I learned many things from it. Some are things that I should pursue, and others were things I should avoid. After all, is it possible to have a conference where everyone loved everything about it?

I also had no intention of criticizing the organizers of the conference. Aside from some minor things like not having chairs and a table for the speakers during Q & A, I think the organizers did a great job. As I stated, I very much appreciated the variety of speakers they chose. They were quite unexpected. It was interesting to see so many different perspectives, attitudes, and values. If I were organizing the event, I might have done something similar where I would choose speakers that I don’t personally like, just for the sake of juxtaposition of different perspectives.

When I manage an online community, for instance, I deliberately find people who disagree with everything I have to say. How interesting could Speak-up be, for instance, if everyone simply agreed about everything? To have any meaningful discussions about anything, you need to have opposing views. I would criticize the organizers if their intention were to find speakers who would simply agree about everything and believed in the same thing. If you are like George Bush who believes that there is only one truth, you would probably fill the whole conference with people you believe are right, and discourage people from having any meaning discussions. But otherwise, I believe a good organizer of a conference should do exactly what the organizers of MOVE conference did. I think some people here are misunderstanding my intension.

On May.03.2005 at 12:11 AM
Scott Stowell’s comment is:

...unlike Emily (former AIGA NY president), Debbie (current AIGA board member) and Scott (unending supporter of AIGA NY) I (upcoming AIGA NY board member) don't feel that events like these should not be subject to an individual's critique — based on said individual's opinions and preferences, which happen to differ from some — simply because they took effort to put together.

Who said the event was not subject to critique? Not me. I simply disagreed with the critique, not with the idea of critique. Dykse said day one was painful; I think it was the superior day. Dykse was impressed with the Digital Kitchen talk; I preferred others. And the original post implied that only business-oriented work is relevant; I don't agree.

I wholeheartedly agree with Armin's point about preparing for a talk--they are performances and should be treated as such. It's just ironic that the presentation that was mostly showreel and canned sales pitch was the one called out in the original post as being great. Meanwhile, at least we can all agree that Golan's work and talk were both awesome.

On May.03.2005 at 12:23 AM
Dyske’s comment is:

Organizing a conference is not the same as curating a gallery show. In the latter, the curator expresses his/her own beliefs about what art is. In this sense, the curator himself is an artist who is expressing his own beliefs. Organizing a conference is quite different. Within a given theme, such as motion graphics, you need to have representatives of different philosophies. If I were organizing a conference for freedom of speech, for instance, I might invite members of KKK to speak about what that means to them. They might make a fool out of themselves, or they might offend a lot of people, but that is the point of a conference; to see the big picture of the given theme.

If you invited presenters who had the same philosophy of motion graphics and made similar work, the conference would turn into a self-congratulatory ceremony where everyone who believes in the same thing would come to feel good about themselves. I wouldn’t go to such a thing. Is that what the organizers of MOVE had in mind? Since there seems to be many AIGA insiders here, I’m beginning to think that that is what they had in mind, but it turned out differently by accident. Could this be true?

On May.03.2005 at 12:44 AM
Dyske’s comment is:

Hi Gunnar,

One thing you might have misunderstood is what the Truth spot was about. Actually there were two. One of them was a documentary of an actual event they organized where they dumped thousands of body bags in front of a tobacco company. Obviously this caused a tangible damage to the company.

The other spot was a fake movie trailer that made an executive who work for a tobacco company look like a Nazi. It is effective because, if you are a teenager whose father works for a tobacco company, you would feel so ashamed, which in turn would make his father feel ashamed.

Your example of auto insurance and mowing lawn are not good analogies here. If the people of Crispin Porter & Bogusky contributed money to lung cancer research, for instance, your analogy would hold. A proper analogy would be an unethical salesman criticizing and actually causing damage to another unethical salesman without recognizing his own unethical deeds.

What really bothered me about the body bag spot is that they caused a real damage. Even if you yourself might be guilty, you are entitled to your opinions of others. In that sense, I can accept the movie trailer spot, but to cause a real damage to someone is an entirely different matter.

I myself is not an ethical designer either, so I personally would not criticize other designers who engage in something unethical, let alone cause a real damage to them. I wouldn’t be able to live with the hypocrisy.

You draw where you draw a line, (when “there is no healthy use”), but that is your own definition. Many others would not draw the same line. Some for instance may draw a line by doing a hypothetical test: If Burger King did not exist, overall, would the world be better off or worse off? Better off means that they are causing more damage to our society than they are making positive contributions. I would say most people would answer that it would be better off. If someone’s overall contribution to the society is negative, it’s a legitimate reason for criticism. In this sense, Burger King falls in the same category as a tobacco company.

On May.03.2005 at 01:46 AM
Armin’s comment is:

> Who said the event was not subject to critique? Not me.

Yes, yes, yes. Sorry Scott. I realized that right after I went to sleep. I lumped you in there for some odd reason. My bad.

On May.03.2005 at 08:48 AM
Daniel Green’s comment is:

In this sense, Burger King falls in the same category as a tobacco company.

Whoa. You’ve completely lost me here, Dyske. The overt broadness of your categorization has scarey implications if you start using that type of reasoning willy-nilly.

You draw where you draw a line, (when “there is no healthy use”), but that is your own definition.

Dyske -- show me the data the comes anywhere near supporting the implications of this arguement. Forget your opinion for a moment. You’ve made a case that demands data.

It’s OK to have your own opinions, and to exercise your right of free speech to express those opinions. However, don’t try to prop them up with unsubstantiated, fuzzy claims. It ends up damaging your entire critique.

On May.03.2005 at 08:54 AM
Dyske’s comment is:

Hi Daniel,

I think you missed the point of my argument. I gave that reasoning as an example of how some people may draw a line differently. After all, how do you prove that Gunnar’s reasoning is absolutely correct? How do you define what is “healthy”? If smoking relaxes someone, couldn’t that be considered a healthy use by some? What is ultimately healthy about anything Burger King is selling? I believe even the speaker himself advised us not to eat the chicken salad because it’s disgusting. (Correct me if I’m wrong here.) This type of argument cannot be made so absolutely, scientifically, or statistically. That is my point.

So, if you don’t feel that Crispin Porter & Bogusky is being hypocritical, I would not argue with you any further. Everyone has his own logic of emotion and ethics. I was just countering Gunnar’s assertion that mine is a mere “sophistry” just because he feels his way of drawing the line is absolute.

On May.03.2005 at 09:27 AM
emily’s comment is:

I too, did not say the event was not subject to critique. I even said not all the speakers we to my liking, my taste ran along the same lines as Scott's. Debbie also did not say that she was against critique (and I think Speak Up knows her well enough to know that). We all just felt that the tone of the original critique was that the conference was just full of people who were unprepared and seemingly too cool to be there and just didn't care (it also left out a few of my favorite speakers). My post was merely to point out how well rounded the conference was and how prepared most of the speakers were. (though I did not see BNS or Plus et Plus).

My other point was that the thread quickly became a debate about hypocrisy in advertising. I was just merely pointing out that though in my opinion a very worthy discussion in terms of how we as designers choose our clients, it (maybe) should not obscure a critical discussion of the conference as a whole.

If there's one thing I love, it's an enthusiastic crit.

On May.03.2005 at 09:33 AM
Petter Ringbom’s comment is:

"Dyske's review focuses on an aspect he — and, clearly, Bradley — finds troublesome about the profession and is using MOVE as a launching pad for his argument. A valid exercise. It just happens that some of the speakers — despite their bestest of intentions — were not to his liking. A critique of speakers is also valuable as feedback for future conferences."

Right Armin, Except that he's actually not telling us which speakers he didn't approve of during the first day. He claims that:

"The first day of the two-day conference was rather painful. Many of the presenters were ill prepared."

Ok, then tell us, who was it? Are we really to assume that all 6 presenters were bad?

"I was sitting in one of the side balconies of the auditorium. Looking over the entire crowd from a distance enhanced the feeling of being an observer of this community."

You're joking right?

On May.03.2005 at 10:11 AM
debbie millman’s comment is:

okay. deep breath.

>So — to sum up the above — unlike Emily (former AIGA NY president), Debbie (current AIGA board member) and Scott (unending supporter of AIGA NY) I (upcoming AIGA NY board member) don't feel that events like these should not be subject to an individual's critique — based on said individual's opinions and preferences, which happen to differ from some — simply because they took effort to put together.

>If we all wanted a glistening review of MOVE I could have easily asked for one and gotten one from one of the many attendees or presenters.

>We all just felt that the tone of the original critique was that the conference was just full of people who were unprepared and seemingly too cool to be there and just didn't care

FIrst of all, this has nothing to do with me being an AIGA "insider." I did not go to the conference, and I had nothing to do with the planning of it. I never suggested that a critique had to be "nice," I was merely suggesting that it be more objective rather than merely opinion, especially if that opinion seems to be fraught with outright accusations such as the following:

My interpretation is as follows. They belong to what I call “the cult of cool.” They would not take the risk of being sincere and failing because it is much safer to act like they don’t care and fail.

What is that supposed to mean? I can't imagine that this is anything other than an egregious and somewhat blatant projection. Why would anyone want to be insincere to be cool? To me that sounds like sophmoric narcissism. And what, pray tell, is the "cult of cool?" I am (by most accounts by those that love me) not terribly cool, yet somehow have gotten to work with the AIGA on the board and on events. "Being cool" is not the criteria to be involved and appreciated.

They love to be recognized, but they hate to admit it. Most of us designers are guilty of this hypocrisy and pretense

Actually, pardon my french, but I think that is bullshit. I think people like to be recognized and often bask in it. Some people may not be able to handle it or feel worthy of it, but that is not hypocrisy or pretense. It is human nature. I do not think it is an effort to be "above it."

The whole music video industry is founded on this premise....The older people who run the record labels are aware of this and take advantage of their insecurity....The labels’ need to promote something cheaply and young designers’ need to be noticed at any cost is a perfect symbiotic relationship.

Excuse me, but what are you basing this on? I worked in the music industry for ten years (when I was in my twenties) and NEVER encountered this. And I worked for Madonna and Sting and Billy Joel (sorry) and The Red Hot Chili Peppers. We were hired because we were right for the job. And we got paid decent money at the time.

Even those who claim that they don’t care about money would have to admit to the degree to which they do care about money when they see someone like Golan Levin.

Then basically you are saying that all those people are liars. I think people in general care about money. The priority that they make it in their lives can be far reaching and vastly different. On the one hand you say that it is bad that people do work for little money and are subsequently taken advantage of, yet when they ADMIT they don't care about money, they are noble. Anyone that has to pay rent and buy food cares about money. Why is this an issue?

The unspoken message here is: “I know you want to be part of us. If not, I’ll make you want to.” It wasn’t just Stephens who played with this high-school psychology; most presenters representing their groups did the same

Is it possible that they were just really proud of what they do and where they work?

In our business we see many people play with this group psychology. Many designers would feel naked if they were stripped of their association with a group or a company.

Again, broad generalization. It seems to me that YOU feel that way. And I don't think that designers are the ONLY group of people that would feel "naked" stripped of ANY associations. Why is that wrong? I might feel "naked" stripped of my friends and my family and my pets and my books and my job and Speak Up and AIGA and my garden. Actually not necessarily naked, but I would sure feel a profound sense of LOSS. These are things that are important to me, special to me, deeply a part of me and without them I would feel like I had lost something important. Is it bad to care about things that much? Or is this just further evidence of my "not being cool" since I care?

Many people in so-called creative business are motivated by this type of group psychology. They either want to belong to a prestigious group, or want to start one of their own. The latter being the dream scenario for most. Having others want to belong to their group, becomes the ultimate reward and satisfaction for them.

PLEASE! this is insane! Who wouldn't want to be part of something excited, inspirational, challenging and creative?? How does wanting people around you that push you or support or love you a bad thing? That is the whole point of partnerships (and marriages)! For all the good, bad and ugly it is still about mutuality and collaboration and teamwork. I don't think anyone starting a business or any creative endeavor starts off by thinking, "hmmm, well fuck it, I don't want to do anything meaningful, I just want to get by doing mediocre bullshit." I truly think you are confusing the desire to do meaningful work with egotism. And I think that is wrong.

The self-congratulatory books by Pentagram, for instance, are physical evidence of it.

Yeah, and Einstein wanted to publish his theory of relativity and spend the rest of his life searching for a unifying theory of the universe in order to make people feel stupid because they just weren't as smart as he was.

When you are motivated by something as superficial as this, hypocrisy becomes evident in one form or another.

Unless you have dedicated your life to doing pro-bono work for Greenpeace, I have no idea how you could possibly say this.

Personally I don’t believe in blaming corporations for this type of issues (I advocate individuals to take their own responsibilities for their own actions, and encourage young people to do so, instead of teaching them that it’s OK to squarely blame their own misjudgments on corporations.

So you won't blame the corporations, just the money-hungry creatives that work for them? That is like saying, fuck it, let's not blame Hitler for WWII, let's blame the logo, and the designer that created it.

I should also mention that Stephens talked proudly about how they helped boost sales for Budweiser.

Glad you could clarify. And why exactly is this bad? Would you turn down work from Anheiuser Busch?

After all, what we do is business. It is when we pretend as though it is something beyond that we start to become hypocritical and pretentious, and we end up doing things that are ultimately irrelevant.

What is your idea of relevant????

In our business, we are easily seduced by these plays of psychological forces.

And it is the better practicioners that can get beyond them.

Our business itself is not any more evil, immoral, or superficial than, say, accounting, teaching, or farming.

I need clarification here: are you saying that accounting, teaching and farming are evil, immoral or superficial?

Mr. Suematsu: I actually have no issue with an honest and open critique of the MOVE conference, I simply have issues with you grandstanding your personal and political beliefs using the conference as proof of your beliefs, when in fact, I disagree with many of your beliefs.

On May.03.2005 at 10:53 AM
Dyske’s comment is:

Hi Petter,

Upon re-reading it, I realized that the way I described the first day was inappropriate, because I didn’t see the whole thing from the beginning. I missed Keira Alexandre and Keith Stichweh. I apologize. My piece was meant as a personal observation, not an objective review of the event, and that should have been made clearer.

As for the thing about sitting in the balconies: No, I’m not joking. It actually had a strange effect on how I viewed the whole conference. It’s like the scene from Michael Moore’s film where you see the news reporter and the cameraman at the same time. It makes you think about different things besides the actual content of what the reporter is saying.

On May.03.2005 at 11:05 AM
Gunnar Swanson’s comment is:

I gave that reasoning as an example of how some people may draw a line differently.

Dyske—I did not argue against individual ethical choice. I argued that when we have organizations that sell an addictive* product that kills people (even if used properly and moderately) in a horrible and painful manner and who have conducted a long-term conspiracy to cover up and falsify research related to their product’s effects (including a long and consistent pattern of perjury), that people who oppose the criminal conspiracy to commit murder should not be dismissed as hypocritical for also working for an organization that sells a variety of food products, many of which can be damaging if consumed stupidly and immoderately.

We can argue about specific Burger King policies but what I called sophistry was not just drawing a moral equivalent between the conducting of a deliberate criminal conspiracy to murder people for profit and the selling of foods that should not form the sole basis for anyone’s diet, but your juvenile attack on anyone who does not see those as equivalent. Worse yet was Bradley’s ludicrous notion that in a morally imperfect world the honest and brave stance is to abandon all standards in some show of consistency.

Added to that we have Bradley’s case that anyone who engages in the commercial realm is irredeemably soiled, “forfeit[ing] all rights to claim any sort of moral righteousness for anything[they] do.” I believe the proper philosophical term for this is “complete and utter horseshit.”

*literally, not the popular use of the word to cover everything habitual or enticing

On May.03.2005 at 11:18 AM
Dyske’s comment is:

Hi Debbie,

I believe our disagreements go beyond the realm that is arguable by logic. So, I’m not going to attempt it. If my views offend you, I’m sorry.

Well, I am an insecure person who could project certain emotions and beliefs unto others. It is therefore helpful that I throw it out there for someone like yourself to read and respond, for me to learn something about myself. But, I do know that there are others with whom my ideas resonate. My primary interest in writing is to articulate a certain sentiment for myself and others who feel the same way. So, I only preach to the converted. If my views do not resonate with you, I can only argue to a point. I have to leave it at that.

On May.03.2005 at 11:23 AM
debbie millman’s comment is:

>I believe our disagreements go beyond the realm that is arguable by logic. So, I’m not going to attempt it. If my views offend you, I’m sorry.

Mr. Suemastsu--you do not need to apologize to me. Speak Up is a forum where we expect to have differing points of views. That is what makes it interesting to visit and participate. I do not necessarily believe that our disagreements go beyond the realm that is arguable by logic, but if you feel that way, cool. Perhaps you could persuade me to think about something in a way that I might need to? As an old friend has said to me many times: "Debbie is always persuasive, but she is not always right."

Well, I am an insecure person who could project certain emotions and beliefs unto others.

Join the club. Welcome to Speak Up.

On May.03.2005 at 11:42 AM
Tan’s comment is:

I, for one, am going for a smoke after I finish my Whopper.

This sounds like it was an interesting conference. Sorry I missed it.

I think the best conferences should have a good mix and variety of speakers, from the painfully academic tech-head to the unabashed self-promoting corporate whore. Oh, and let's not forget the militant self-righteous do-gooder. Let's face it, that's our real community.

Somewhere in all of that mix should be some fucking incredible work. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about — the work?

Forget the hypocritical stories and morality lessons, how was the work?

On May.03.2005 at 11:57 AM
debbie millman’s comment is:

me too. Gotta love that logo.

; )

Thanks, Tan. I also want to hear about the work...

On May.03.2005 at 12:01 PM
Armin’s comment is:

The MOVE web site is hosting feedback from attendees. Mixed responses.

On May.04.2005 at 01:46 PM
Valon’s comment is:

I personally loved the conference. Even though most of the things that were shown are available at presenters' websites; I personally went to see the people behind the work. It gave me a better sense of why they did what they did...

Also, I thought it was great how AIGA programmed the conference by starting with more edgy presenters and moved gradually to more established businesses such as Digital Kitchen. I'm sure DK used this opportunity to pitch their work, but that's OK since they're more business oriented.

And of course Peter Hall was great!

On May.05.2005 at 11:11 AM
Rob’s comment is:

I'm not even sure where to jump in at this point. Like Debbie, I did not attend the conference but it sounds like for everyone who attended, there was value obtained. And having run events for AIGA (oh gosh, not that group attraction thing) as Education Director, the goal is to get people to think. It has nothing to do with a perceived 'cult of cool' nor a desire to appear above it all.

I would not trade my relationship with AIGA or any other 'group' I have been a member of for anything. This is where we gain our friendships, our professional knowledge, our abilities to share and disagree (like the community on Speak Up).

I do my work because I have a passion for it and it helps to pay my mortgage, pay for my kid's school, puts food on the table, takes care of the car payments and other bills. Does this make me elitist? I don't think so. At the same time, I volunteer many hours to AIGA, I do pro bono design work for area non-profits and share my knowledge and experience with area design students. For me, there is no better community than the design community. Sure, we have the occasional 'you can't touch me' prima donnas, but you will find them anywhere. We, as designers. do not have a special foothold on that.

I am not saying that design as a profession is perfect. We face many challenges and these discussions help to enlighten those of us who really care enough to make changes. To learn from what we have experienced and been taught.

Dyske, I only have one question for you. How much did your preconcieved ideas about design color your critique? And were you really just painting your own view of design upon the conference rather than giving a more insightful critique. Sure, not every speak is going to be everyone's cup of tea. But, opinion should always be tempered with reality.

On May.05.2005 at 01:53 PM
Rob’s comment is:

I'm not even sure where to jump in at this point. Like Debbie, I did not attend the conference but it sounds like for everyone who attended, there was value obtained. And having run events for AIGA (oh gosh, not that group attraction thing) as Education Director, the goal is to get people to think. It has nothing to do with a perceived 'cult of cool' nor a desire to appear above it all.

I would not trade my relationship with AIGA or any other 'group' I have been a member of for anything. This is where we gain our friendships, our professional knowledge, our abilities to share and disagree (like the community on Speak Up).

I do my work because I have a passion for it and it helps to pay my mortgage, pay for my kid's school, puts food on the table, takes care of the car payments and other bills. Does this make me elitist? I don't think so. At the same time, I volunteer many hours to AIGA, I do pro bono design work for area non-profits and share my knowledge and experience with area design students. For me, there is no better community than the design community. Sure, we have the occasional 'you can't touch me' prima donnas, but you will find them anywhere. We, as designers. do not have a special foothold on that.

I am not saying that design as a profession is perfect. We face many challenges and these discussions help to enlighten those of us who really care enough to make changes. To learn from what we have experienced and been taught.

Dyske, I only have one question for you. How much did your preconcieved ideas about design color your critique? And were you really just painting your own view of design upon the conference rather than giving a more insightful critique. Sure, not every speak is going to be everyone's cup of tea. But, opinion should always be tempered with reality.

On May.05.2005 at 01:53 PM
B’s comment is:

"So you won't blame the corporations, just the money-hungry creatives that work for them? That is like saying, fuck it, let's not blame Hitler for WWII, let's blame the logo, and the designer that created it."

Blame for the war, by analogy, is an illogical jump from what's really on the line in that statement: merely that it is hypocritical to present designs for both the Nazi swastika and the Greenpeace logo, and then expect humanitarian street cred for having worked on the latter.

On Jun.29.2005 at 06:06 PM